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I can’t believe I have to write an article like this in 2015; the drama involved feels so high school I could swear it was still the 90’s, and yet it would appear that it doesn’t matter how old you are, fear of exclusion is very much real.

I am of course talking about the Honey Badger Brigade and their expulsion from Calgary’s Comic Expo. First, let’s get some background on the whole situation so you can see where the controversy was born from. Comic artist and member of the Honey Badger Brigade, Alison Tieman, registered a booth in the name of her art at Calgary expo. Despite rumors, she claims this was not done with the intention of subterfuge. She later decided to bring the Badgers along and by the time the expo opened, the booth was registered under the name of the Honey Badger Brigade.

calgary expo honey badger brigade

The Honey Badger Brigade is a self-proclaimed Men’s Rights Activist group made up predominantly of women, with the belief that women should not always be portrayed as victims. Many members of the brigade are also members of Gamergate and some of the art available for purchase at their booth displayed Vivian James, mascot of the movement, and the Gamergate logo.

honey badger booth

Gamergate is certainly unpopular with some people due to the idea that the movement is linked with misogyny and harassment, and so it was no surprise that when images of the booth began appearing on the internet, there was a Twitter outrage. People were upset that people from a movement, which has been accused of harassment, were allowed to set up a booth at Calgary Expo. Tweets like this were certainly not uncommon.

Chris Priestly KKK tweet

Despite concerns, there are no rules that exclude certain groups from the expo and so they were allowed to stay until the Women into Comics panel which Alison attended and answered questions at. The full audio was later released by the Honey Badger Brigade where people could judge for themselves the tone of her discussion with the panel. The discussion lasted less than 10 minutes (between 18:45 and 28:40), and panelist Brittney Le Blanc gave this account of the discussion:

“Their questions did take up quite a bit of time at the panel and served to derail the topic onto another tangent, which was frustrating for the panel and for those in the audience. It’s what they came to do, and in part, they succeeded. I would say that it brought up some great discussions though, allowing us to talk about the lack of representation for people of colour in comics and to give well deserved props to artists like Sophie Campbell … I truly believe in freedom of speech, but coming to a panel with the entire purpose of derailing it and shooting down the voices on the panel isn’t constructive. It appears that was their plan for the expo, to come and to loudly take over the spaces of other people – although it was not violent or threatening, it’s disrespectful, disappointing and offers a prime example of why these panels need to exist in the first place.”

Here we see Brittney describe the discussion as not “constructive” and “disrespectful” though at no point did she describe the discussion as harassment. Clearly Alison’s comments annoyed some of those on the panel so maybe there should be some reaction to this. So what should her punishment be? A slap on the wrist, a formal apology to the panelists, even banning from future panels? No, it was none of these. Instead all of the Honey Badgers and their booth were thrown out of the expo and the $720 they spent in tickets absorbed by Calgary. The cost to the Badgers was obviously much more than this. Other than their time and resources, they in total raised over $9000 in order to attend the expo, and donators obviously missed out on their chance to meet the Badgers themselves.

For me this whole debacle comes down to something extremely basic. The organizers of the Expo did not want the Honey Badger Brigade at their event, and as soon as they realized the politics of the group they looked for any reason, no matter how trivial, to evict them. If the reason the Badgers were removed from the expo is for derailing conversation at  a panel, then why not simply ban them from panels, but allow Tieman to continue to promote her art?

What made me the most sad about this whole event is how much Calgary Expo used the term “everyone” when describing the reason for the Badger’s expulsion. “a safe space for everyone“, “a fun event for everyone”, though I’m willing to bet that it wasn’t a fun event for Alison Tieman and her fans who lost $1000s and the chance to connect with each other.

Calgary Expo please reserve the right to selfishly ban all the people who you don’t agree with from coming to your events, just don’t do it and tell me it’s for all our benefits.

What do you think of the events at Calgary Expo?

All images are sources from Twitter.


Georgina Young

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British girl, currently in Japan. Surviving on a diet of retro games. Worshiping the god that is the Sega Megadrive. I like Nintendo.



  • Sol Racht

    What ever happened to the free exchange of ideas being one of America’s most closely cherished ideals? This hysterical need to purge anyone who doesn’t agree with SanFran SocJus nannyisms, which is seen cropping up in more and more places, metastasizing like a cancer, is deeply disturbing.

  • Olympion

    “Gamergate is certainly unpopular with some people due to the idea that the movement is linked with misogyny and harassment,”

    This would be the point where you go one step beyond merely reporting what people think (or claim to think) and actually lay out what the facts are – there’s plenty of evidence that GamerGate not only has nothing to do with harassment and misogyny, but that Anti-GG supports actual harassers like Zoe Quinn and Randi Harper.

  • StayingOccupied

    I think it’s important to mention that some of the people calling for them to be removed had no clue what they were talking about https://archive.is/aAOlx

  • SirBittle

    I think if Tieman was out of place in the panel, they could have easily told her “no”, that they weren’t taking comments or questions at the time. Instead they gave her permission (after she asked for it) to speak, and if you listen to the audio, they even agree with some of her points. This agreement on some points goes both ways, in fact.

    Again, at any point during that exchange if they considered it disruptive, they could have changed the topic or moved things along and asked Tieman to sit down. Considering her attitude so far, she was being cordial. I’m sure it could have ended there.

    I’m guessing most of the people who complained were not even at the event, but I can’t say for sure. I know how the wildfire of Twitter spreads however.

  • Also worth noting that this is not the first time the Calgary Expo does something like this.

    http://www.stevenbritton.net/my-stuff/deep-stuff/the-dark-side-of-calgary-expo/

    It’s a shame that an expo that touts itself as an inclusive experience engages in this kind of behavior just to appease a vocal minority of people who don’t practice what they preach.

    People who weren’t even attending the expo.

    Complaining through twitter.

    Looks like the Honey badgers are taking legal action against it, hope it works for the best and the Calgary Expo learns an important lesson from this.

  • SevTheBear

    Whoever is in charge of that Expo is a colossal asshole

  • Carla

    And there is plenty of evidence of Members of GG doing harassment as well.
    Sure, only an extremly small part in both cases, but still, it is there. (Of course it is, since there are nut jobs in every movement)
    Unfortunatly, the general perception of GG is still mostly bad, which was what the writer stated. Frankly, the stand on the expo could have helped to change peoples minds.
    Hence, the action of this expo is extremly foolish.
    They killed the voice of a person or group of persons, who they do not agree with on a political level (Or so it seems to me). It’s like throwing out a religious group, because you are an atheist. An Expo, that indicates to be there for everyone, should not exclude anyone.

  • chizwoz

    You see the term “safe” attached to one of these things, you pretty much know what you’re getting nowadays.

  • cypher20

    No matter your politics the logic of “we have to exclude you for the sake of inclusion” should be so mind-boggingly hypocritical that any right-thinking person should rebel at it.

    Obviously, an anti-GG person might respond, “Oh, should we let the KKK in then?” but you’re really comparing apples and oranges there. The KKK are racists and have been responsible for the deaths of blacks. Gamergate is at its absolute worst, guilty of online harassment. Which isn’t right but certainly a far cry from a lynching and in fairness, GGers have been on the receiving end of harassment as well. So no one is really clean in this situation.

    So, unless the Honey Badger Brigade advocates death and destruction, something I find unlikely since it would have already been reported if they were so vile, they don’t deserve to be kicked out of an event for simply having different politics than those running the event. That’s just the expo being discriminatory.

  • Douglas

    It’s a curious doublespeak that these conventions and their supporters use phrases like “a safe space for everyone” whilst simultaneously removing those it finds disagreeable. See also the journalists who report GG and similar being opponents to diversity when standing against efforts to create monocultures in gaming and other fandoms.

  • In the name of inclusion, I banish thee.

  • m25105

    We’re in the age of pink haired white rich hipster males who thinks everything is bad in gaming, lol.

  • Reptile

    I think that those people are really against such things, they hide behind the “equality,diversity,etc” masks so that they don’t feel bad about being assholes.
    Respecting people IS common sense, if one keeps yelling “I AM FOR DIVERSITY! SAFE SPACE FOR EVERYONE!” as if it was some mantra I always think there is something shady behind it. Like a wolf yelling “EATING SHEEPS IS WRONG, EATING SHEEPS IS WRONG” and then proceed to eat sheeps but think it isn’t wrong because is him doing it.

  • Olympion

    False Equivalence – the so-called GG harassers are basically just Trolls (some probably from Anti-GG) or new accounts with no prior activity in the tag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQW-NvtAEs

    Meanwhile, some of the most prominent Anti-GG people have been PROVEN to be involved in harassment and bullying.

  • Kevin

    Please provide some examples of actual, verified Gamergaters participating in and condoning harassment. I’ll bet you 10 to 1 the examples you have are nothing but throwaway troll accounts trying to cause trouble.

  • HisShadowX

    I am more upset that the police where called when they were off the premises and emergency services were used and possible non emergency and emergency services services for a real problem was delayed due to one less officer responding to a false call.

    That’s why in most areas I know off calling the police because your order was screwed up at McDonalds can get the caller arrested

  • Farmer John Jensen

    Technically, this is Canada. They don’t, necessarily, have the same kinds of protections as Americans do in theory.

  • Zepherdog

    The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

    Bring us this “plenty of evidence” as you say.

  • Typical

    That’s your culture of inclusion the left promotes for you.

  • Typical

    Don’t worry, look at the account history, clearly only interested in spewing lies on this one post just like the leftist mantra: Tell a lie long and loud enough it becomes the truth.

    They still haven’t realized that shit isn’t going to fly anymore, but I doubt we’ll ever see Carla here again.

  • BlueLight

    United States North America is different from Canada North America.
    The only thing we share is a continent.

  • Sol Racht

    “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither. Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.”

  • Gasbandit

    The Hugbox is real.

  • BlueLight

    I don’t think the KKK argument you used work. It’s “we have to exclude because we disagree with you.”. I think a better argument would have been saying we exclude KKK for the physical safety of others, when there if a verifiable strong risk of harm

  • Robert Grosso

    Hate to say it, but most of the defenders of GamerGate are among that group who have engaged in such behavior too. Mike Cernovich, Milo Yanninopolis, even Oliver Campbell has started to get a little more antsy at this point and devolving into divisive rhetoric for or against different aspects of this clusterfuck of a debate, either by acting unprofessionally or just by being a dick if you don’t agree with them.

    And let’s not discount some of the same dishonesty we see Sarkeesian engage in with guys like Sargon of Akkad, who are pretty much divulging into hyperbolic rants that say a lot without meaning anything.

    It is both sides, let’s not kid ourselves in the end of that. The problem is moreso how to curb both sides of this political spectrum. But that requires people to be in charge to control it. Or at the very least, to be out there like Jackie Robinson and taking the punches in stride.

  • Zepherdog

    Being a dick to people and not making a good argument does not amount to or is proof of harassment, which was the original accusation, contrary to the countless cases of real harassment coming from the most prominent members of the anti-gg side, like zoe quinn and the whos condoning of doxing and swatting, or the journos continued campaing of belittlement and false accusations like the Cards against Humanity rape scandal, or this very same case of the Honey Badgers.

    Nevermind the fact that not every supporter of GG agrees or considers these e-celebs relevant with a few exceptions like Christina Sommers; that’s why E-celeb is a slur and not a compliment, after all.

    Yet you are making claims of dishonesty on the same level as Saarkesian by people on GG’s side without providing any proof or evidence or even a valid comparison. Come back from your tangent when Sargon or Milo scam thousands of dollars off people over kickstarter to crowdfund their pet projects and don’t deliver.

    This is at best a (rotten) apples to oranges thing going on in your mind.

  • Olympion

    False Equivalence just Leveled Up – zepherdog explained it very well.

  • Robert Grosso

    Not really, all is fair in political comparisons. The claims of harassment by the anti-side prove that full force in the end. Not to mention most people in GamerGate seem to lose their mind when someone challenges them with the same exact rhetoric online.

    I agree they are embellishing it, but is writing an article criticizing video game culture not the same exact thing as folks threatening to reveal confidential documents online, harassing or suing people out of nowhere for defamation, or literally saying “if you are not with us, you are against us?” not the same thing in the end? You should not be justifying the actions of one side over the other, when both sides are guilty of the same behavior because it leads to the same conclusions.

    Simply put, I don’t really give a flying fig if Sargon or Milo aren’t scamming people out of money. They are dicks, and give GamerGate a bad name based upon their accusations and exclamations, and more or less using the same tactics as those who have been lying to you in the first place. Yet folks in GamerGate are too foolish or too in the bubble to actually play ball in the real world by culling their own when they need to.

    So they are on your side, what does that actually gain you in the end outside of a bad reputation that can’t be shaked? When people outside of this conflict think you are a hate group, you do yourselves no credit to your cause. You really think something like this is going to change anything? All it does is just continuously cement the lies about the movement by making them believable.

    It is not about giving proof or even a valid comparison, it is looking from the outside in, and frankly, GamerGate is not worth my time because it’s a leaderless movement that is not going to solve much of anything in the long term. Short term sure, some stuff will be done, but what is the real impetus of change in the end, when it’s a movement fragmented to the four winds on what should be done?

    It’s a shame too, the other side is just as full of it, yet both sides want the same damn thing; both want honesty in journalism, and inclusive of all people playing games. Yet this consumer revolt sadly is off message all the time, which ruins it for everyone.

    It was particularly noticeable during the Schafer fallout at GDC, and how repugnant most of GamerGate responded to a bad joke. Funny, I guess when people rallied behind Mike Krahulik’s side for his dickwolf joke and it was ok because they weren’t targeted at the time…

    Honestly, the perception of your movement simply sucks. Do better at controlling people for me to care about you further.

  • chizwoz

    I dunno who said that but I don’t think you even need to include the “deserve” part. Giving up liberties just won’t lead to safety, ever. These people have a completely delusional view of human nature.

  • Olympion

    Guess we should change the hashtag while we’re at it, huh?

  • Jake Martinez

    It’s pretty interesting to me that many people, and evidently Brittney Le Blanc, do not understand that constructive dialogue isn’t a bunch of people who completely agree with each other saying things to each other that they completely agree with. We have another, far less flattering word for that – “circlejerk”.

    I felt compelled to listen to the audio recording of this event, and I can confirm that not only did Allison politely ask for permission to speak, it was enthusiastically granted, and that her speech itself was polite and on the point to the question. She even did the courtesy of identifying her ideological slant prior to providing her response and asking for permission, thus granting the panel the opportunity to reject her request to address the question.

    I think it’s quite clear that they felt compelled to be polite and act like civil individuals in public because they had an audience, but that the moment they felt they could get away with it, they decided to do their best to inflict harm on people whom were merely guilty of politely expressing an opinion they didn’t care for.

    There’s also a very unflattering word for that behavior as well – cowardice.

  • destroy_all_monsters

    I’ve never seen hatred of women in my entire life. Misogyny is when women are treated the same as men are every single day.

    Furthermore the women are wonderful effect eats away at the very core of any argument about soggy knees.

    It has yet to be proven to exist.

  • destroy_all_monsters

    Then you are not one of us and you’re using specious logic (along with a heaping helping of logical fallacies) to prove your non-point.

    We don’t care about how you feel. GamerGate isn’t about feels – that’s team feminism. We’re focused on facts and changing behavior and shining a light on the utter hypocrisy of the other side.

    No amount of speech and tone policing will make anyone care that isn’t interested in being open minded or care about facts. SJWs have zero interest in being decent human beings. The fact that you consider them a more valid movement speaks volumes about you and says nothing about us.

  • Ashton Liu

    “I can’t believe I have to write an article like this in 2015; the drama involved feels so high school I could swear it was still the 90’s, and yet it would appear that it doesn’t matter how old you are, fear of exclusion is very much real.”

    I’ve been a con goer for around two years now, and I’ve made an observation about most conventions I’ve been to.

    One thing you have to realize: most people who organize and go to cons, as a rule, never moved past their high school phase of life. They’re like those jocks you hear about in high school who never mature past 16 or 17 – except they never peaked, and remain perpetually in a state of non-growth. They are often attention seeking, childish, self centered bigots who pretend to stand for kindness or inclusivity but actually turn those terms into a social club to drive out all dissenting voices.

    They’re mostly the same type of people – “kids” (because they’re not kids – they’re mostly 22 to 25 year olds) who are working dead end retail jobs while “studying” in a community college for four years without any real progress or are artists/creators hoping to be the next great indie thing. These are generally people who will believe everything you tell them without verification so long as it panders to their preconceived notions and beliefs. They are inherently malleable and easily manipulated because whenever individuals from a group whose opinions they treasure – like feminists – they will do everything they can to please that group without verifying if the group’s claims are true, so they can be considered one of the cool kids.

    You don’t go to a con for “free exchange of ideas,” ever. That ship not only sailed, it was never docked at the port to begin with; people who organize and go to cons aren’t bad or even stupid – they’re just easily manipulated because they are seeking validation from groups they admire and want acceptance from, just like they were in high school. If that means tossing innocent people under the bus, that’s no skin off their back, in their mind.

    Reality, however, is a cruel mistress. The feminists who pressured them to kick out HBB will leave them holding the bag, letting them deal with the fallout without sharing in the responsibility. If the HBB successfully pursue legal solutions to this, it could be a splash of cold water in the faces of many people who absolutely have it coming.

  • Something key to note here… especially after reading that panelist’s ignorant statement of what they thought of HBB supposedly “derailing”… the ONGOING moral to SJWs and Anti-GG… is that when you don’t agree with the other side… do step back, don’t compromise… censor and obliterate the other side, so only your view remains to brainwash the masses.

    I mean seriously, and the anti-GG and SJWs have the gaul/sack to compare GAMERGATE to Al Qaeda or KKK!? Seriously!? Can they not actually step back and see the BS they’re pulling!?

    #BoyCottCalgaryExpo #GamerGate #LongLiveGamerGate!

    PS – I’m boycotting Calgary Expo so hard that I’ve actually placed them into my word censor, adblock, etc… so anything that even remotely says their name in the future will be removed… so if somebody is excited to be going, I’d see something like, “Oh boy, I can’t wait… one more week and I’m off to !@#!”. Which since all words censor the same, I’ll just assume they mean “off to sh*t”, etc. xD

  • Also, I’d be willing to bet the examples would pale in comparison to the other side of the coin. Anita Sarkeesian herself has proven to be an instigator and provoker… I mean come on, calling the pic snapped of her in the game parlor a “creepshot”… when she’s a public-figure in a public-place… she’s SCREAMING at people, “come at me”, pretty much… classic troll behavior. Then there’s Adam Sessler that has been openly vocal about actually participating in AND condoning doxxing but only if it’s against those that aren’t part of their clique and/or that they don’t like. And then there’s Mark Waid, Anne Wheaton, Phil Fish, even Brianna Wu (people HAVE to be honest in agreeing that at least half the flack she gets she practically BEGS for). The list could go on with several others tacked on… but we get the point.

  • Indeed and well said… also scary to think that on the very first offense it means expulsion from the entire event for life… believe it’s been said that they’re banned from any future expos as well. I mean, who the hell do Calgary Expo think they are anyways? The next Gestapo!? (Which is a fair comparison indeed… considering the SJWs and Anti-GG just love to compare GamerGate to Al Qaeda and/or KKK… when if anything, their actions fit the Al-Qaeda/KKK mold worlds better.)

    Even worse that while Honey Badger Brigade decided to have a picnic later on at a nearby public park… the Expo went a step further to harass them even more, by calling the police and sicking the fuzz on them… AT A PUBLIC PARK, for a PICNIC. -_-

  • I agree with most of that… though, I’d have to think that description is more accurate of females… even though there is a decent amount of brainwashed males on their side as well.

    It is weird that so many of them have colored or tipped hair, that now whenever I see anybody out in the real world with colored or tipped hair, I suddenly start to wonder if I should be leary of them.

    (Even more scary that I used to be into dying my hair purple and other colors many years ago… never did do the combo-colors or tips… even though might have been cool back when that whole thing *was* [emphasis on past-tense] cool.)

  • Couldn’t agree more… except on the last sentence. Yes, cowardice sums it up well… but there’s way more than just the one word… there’s two-faced, backstabbing, pretentious, arrogant, despicable, spineless, harassing, dismissive, toxic, prejudice, noninclusive (which they completely misrepresent inclusivity), professional-victim, close-minded, ignorant, oh and can’t forget @$$holeish, etc. ^_^

  • dsadsada

    Panels get derailed all the time (and I haven’t listened to the audio so I don’t know if it was even derailment). That in no way constitutes getting thrown out of the expo entirely unless the person had threatened injury on others. At best, you get walked out of the place where the panel was being held but you could still attend the rest of the event. There are just so many things wrong here. At the very absolute minimum least, Calgary Expo should refund the HBB.

  • Sheba

    add “eunuch”

  • I truly think that GamerGate needs to do a yearly convention in the US… call it GamerGate Pro or something… and see if our freedoms of assembly, expression, and speech would be trampled on then. Then any police, nay-sayers, anti-GG, SJWs, or harassers that show up, can not only be escorted out, but have the pants sued off of them. We, and the public, can then see who the real haters are. ^_^

    #BoyCottCalgaryExpo #GamerGate #LongLiveGamerGate!

  • Indeed… I believe the term for it is self-righteousness. xD

  • I know right… they so readily compare GamerGate to KKK and Al Qaeda… yet the anti-GG and SJWs may as well be the KKK, Al Qaeda, and the Gestapo combined. While they point those titles at GamerGate, they’re the one committing the practices of said groups… censorship, exclusion, removal, silencing, etc… at all costs.

  • They were actually referring to the tweet about how someone who was against a pro-GamerGate booth being at the expo, readily compared them to the KKK.

  • Robert Grosso

    And let’s not mince words. I think both movements are full of it, one is not more valid over the other in the end.

    I am glad you are focused on facts though. I want to like that a lot, except when it pertains to your own movement you seem to put blinders on to criticism. That is called hypocrisy, which in of itself is the big problem. And trust me, I am not the only one who thinks that, there are plenty of people out there who are willing to call GamerGate on it’s own bullshit too when they deserve it. Too bad most in GamerGate don’t want to hear it.

    Makes you no better than the other side, really. But i’m not here to win a non-debate with some random on the internet. I am just telling you how it is.

  • dsadsada

    I’m going to agree with everyone else on your first point as I’ve yet to see any actual harassment in the past several months. Just harsh words at the worst really, but that alone isn’t enough to qualify even on a dictionary level.

    Which is a bit too bad since your second point is spot on.

  • Zepherdog

    – “Not really, all is fair in political comparisons. ”

    No it isn’t. This is the mindset of someone who doesn’t know or want to debate an issue because they believe in false equivalence so hard it seems true from their POV.

    – “The claims of harassment by the anti-side prove that full force in the end. Not to mention most people in GamerGate seem to lose their mind when someone challenges them with the same exact rhetoric online.”

    So people who smell bullshit should accept it as fact, instead of having the need to argue what they don’t agree with, even passionately? this is some #listenandbelieve thing you’ve got going on.

    – “is writing an article criticizing video game culture not the same exact thing as folks threatening to reveal confidential documents online, harassing or suing people out of nowhere for defamation, or literally saying “if you are not with us, you are against us?” not the same thing in the end? You should not be justifying the actions of one side over the other, when both sides are guilty of the same behavior because it leads to the same conclusions.”

    More false-equivalcente again, I demand proof of your claims, not just strawman.

    – “Simply put, I don’t really give a flying fig if Sargon or Milo aren’t scamming people out of money. They are dicks, and give GamerGate a bad name based upon their accusations and exclamations, and more or less using the same tactics as those who have been lying to you in the first place. Yet folks in GamerGate are too foolish or too in the bubble to actually play ball in the real world by culling their own when they need to.”

    PR arguments don’t work when the only PR being fed to people not aware with the inner workings of GG is bad, REGARDLESS OF THE ACTIONS OF GG Like donating to charities or supporting content creators; These people wouldn’t give a shit if GG was a saint and martyr that cured fucking cancer because they’re colluded and corrupt and are the very thing GG is fighting against. This has been demonstrated from before GG was even a thing, there’s hard proof of this.

    – “So they are on your side, what does that actually gain you in the end outside of a bad reputation that can’t be shaked? When people outside of this conflict think you are a hate group, you do yourselves no credit to your cause. You really think something like this is going to change anything? All it does is just continuously cement the lies about the movement by making them believable.”

    Taking into account all progress that has been made since 8 months ago, I guess an ‘unshakable’ bad image (Which BTW is disapearing as more moderate people become aware of the situation, mostly because of Anti’s insanity) isn’t as bad since the bad image is being crafted by the most disingenuous, egotistical, dishonest and hypocritical of people in the medium. Coming from them, I’ll take the bad image in stride and prove them wrong at every turn, as I’ve done so far. It only digs them deeper.

    – “it is looking from the outside in, and frankly, GamerGate is not worth my time because it’s a leaderless movement that is not going to solve much of anything in the long term. Short term sure, some stuff will be done, but what is the real impetus of change in the end, when it’s a movement fragmented to the four winds on what should be done?”

    If you were truly looking from the outside you would see what several other moderate people have seen. Hell, you’re even free to investigate and interact with people on the GG side yourself.

    – “It’s a shame too, the other side is just as full of it, yet both sides want the same damn thing; both want honesty in journalism, and inclusive of all people playing games. Yet this consumer revolt sadly is off message all the time, which ruins it for everyone.”

    Again, it’d like proof that both side want honesty in journalism, as even since it started the journalists and their supporters have done nothing but snowball into lies, intolerance, censorship and dishonesty. And, again, there’s proof of this.

    – “It was particularly noticeable during the Schafer fallout at GDC, and how repugnant most of GamerGate responded to a bad joke. Funny, I guess when people rallied behind Mike Krahulik’s side for his dickwolf joke and it was ok because they weren’t targeted at the time…
    Honestly, the perception of your movement simply sucks. Do better at controlling people for me to care about you further.”

    You mean when Tim Schafer used a literal sockpuppet to deny the identity of several women, black people, asians, latin americans (like myself), europeans from different countries, etc. by calling them all sockpuppets and white men? The very same people they claim to be “encouraging and protecting from muh evil GG? And everyone on the Anti side lost their shit and celebrated it as a mayor victory? And the people offended reacted by calling them out on their bullshit? My, how repugnant!

    -“It is not about giving proof or even a valid comparison.”

    Oh this last tidbit is golden. THAT’S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.

    ARE YOU GETTING PAID OR ARE YOU…. OH GOD I’M SO SORRY! I’M SORRY YOURE NEVER GETTING THOSE 10 BUX BACK! ;_;

    I guess there’s no reason to take you seriously anymore, Mr. I DEMAND PEOPLE BELIEVE IN FEELINGS AND NARATIVES OVER FACTS.

  • Cytos Lpagtr

    what do i think? well they have a list of sponsors on there website, if id lived close enough to go to the expo id let them know that now i wont, and the affiliation of there product to the expo will make me think twice before requesting the sponsors product/services again.

    then again all that happens in Canada, and i doubt they export much to where i am from. maybe pancake toppings?

  • Robert Grosso

    As if people taking anyone seriously is a problem on the internet.

    This is all wasted time and writing, you know. Even if I give proof, which I pretty much asserted by pointing out the obvious already, it is of little consequence in the end anyway since you already adhere to the socio-political spectrum’s of belief before anything else.

    For example, how people were threatening Schafer after the GDC joke, no one has a problem with that exactly? I even wrote about this in an editorial that I posted off TechRaptor (here is the link of the whole article. http://www.gamerevolution.com/blog/LinksOcarina/in-defense-of-tim-schafer-93287)

    “Oh don’t get me wrong, the anger is completely justified in a sense. It was not a funny joke, felt forced and contrived to the situation, as if Schafer was trying to belittle the entire movement. There is an argument to be made regarding what Schafer said as being the same rhetorical outcry that is typical of the anti-GamerGate stance, and the hypocrisy of that position at times.

    What is not ok, however, is the disparaging storm that happened afterwards by thousands on Twitter. Much like the callous behavior that was reviled by many, folks flocked to social media to belittle, bemoan, and threaten Schafer for his joke. Folks poured gasoline on a sparked inferno, reigniting the problems with #GamerGate once more, it’s own self-image.

    It’s a shame too, since many in the campaign make excellent points regarding actual ethical practices in games journalism. Sadly, many do not preach it, becoming slaves to passion just like the very people they are against. Almost like an ouroboros, time and again #GamerGate eats it’s own tail, forcing a cycle of the same bad behavior that folks like Brianna Wu, Arthur Chu, Johnathan Mcintosh and their own followers employ.”

    I have a lot more important things to do than show the burden of proof to someone in the comments section, especially when I know they won’t accept it because they refuse to listen. So don’t waste my time.

    Either deal with the fact of the matter, or don’t. It makes little of a difference to me what you really believe. In the meantime I will continue to do my own thing here on TechRaptor.

  • Talpss177

    The only actual mysoginist I can even think of is Hesiod, a Greek poet that lived milennia ago.

  • DoombotBL

    Bunch of cowards, as usual they fear having to defend their stances in a public forum on equal grounds

  • destroy_all_monsters

    >except when it pertains to your own movement you seem to put blinders on to criticism.

    O rly? Care to go into my history and make an effort? I’ve called out Milo on his anti-trans position dozens of times – both here and on my reddit accounts.

    >trust me, I am not the only one who thinks that,

    Yes, there are lots of ghazis that pose as neutrals.

    >Makes you no better than the other side, really.

    http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/weak-analogy/

  • destroy_all_monsters

    >Even if I give proof, which I pretty much asserted by pointing out the obvious already

    You’ve given no proof. Do you always rely on logical fallacies to “prove” your points for you?

    >I even wrote about this in an editorial that I posted off TechRaptor (here is the link of the whole article.

    That’s a lovely error 404 message. I am now thoroughly convinced of the veracity of your argument.

    Disliking someone and calling them on what they say, particularly when it is derogatory and content-free, is not threatening. Unless the police verify there was an actual threat or he was terminated from his position by GGers for his comment you don’t have a leg to stand on.

    >I have a lot more important things to do than show the burden of proof
    to someone in the comments section, especially when I know they won’t
    accept it because they refuse to listen. So don’t waste my time.

    Right – evidence of your claims is wasting your time. Who do you see when you look in the mirror? Thanks for the belly laugh though.

  • TeLin特林

    Thomas Jefferson I believe…let me check.

    EDIT: Nope, Benjamin Franklin.
    Well, it was at least one of the founding fathers.

    TJ was a bad ass though.

  • Zepherdog

    And it kept leveling up past the level cap until it bursted into hex and crashed the game.

  • Zepherdog

    Oh please keep telling me how I’m wasting your time when it was you who barged in all “PROOF MEANS NOTHING I WOULD PROVIDE IT BUT I DONT HAVE ANY”.

  • chloe

    gaming is filled with censorship. Lots of racist, statist, and sexist crap being thrown around.

  • Olympion
  • dsadsada

    Sorry, I meant actual harassment from the pro-GG side.

  • Carla

    You said it yourself: “The GG harassers are basically just Trolls” (and I have to admit, that I feel uncomfortable for seemingly defending this group right now oO)
    But I do believe that the majority GG members are simply misguided. Led astray with the promise that “We will keep all those new dangerous changes that will kill gaming away from you” They might even truly think they are about “ethics in games journalism” as well. Now, such a booth would have given people opportunity and a forum for debate.
    “Why are your people not doing anything against the harassers in your midst?”
    “Are you really happy to be associated with rapists and wanne-be suicide bombers?”
    “Show me five GG activists who did something to promote ethics in games journalism”
    “Ok, why can’t you show me at least three then?” (Out of personal experience, no GGer was able to link me to even one yet)
    My point is: People could have found those … misguided souls… and could have tried to talk to them. Show them, that Anita does not want to destroy them and everything they hold dear but simply adreses problems that should and need to be talked about and kept in mind during games creation.

    But by throwing them out, they provided GG with positive (for them) publicity without given anyone the chance to discuss this stuff openly.

  • Carla

    The part in brackets should have indicated that “There is a large group and in any large group, there are nut jobs that do damn stupid things”, but ok I will simply point you to the analyses of newsweek and leave it at that: “http://www.newsweek.com/gamergate-about-media-ethics-or-harassing-women-harassment-data-show-279736”

    I can neither prove nor disprove, that most of those tweets the article uses as source were made by throwaway troll accounts. But it does show the problem of perception. The label “GamerGate” is -by and large- associated with threats of violence against female critics and not with “ethics in games journalism”.
    But I do stand by my opinion: The stand should not have been closed down.
    (Btw, why were you so upset by my writing, that there is plenty of evidence that there are a [hopefully] minority within GG that are harassing idiots?)

  • Carla

    Wrong.
    I just haven’t seen, that Disqus provides one with an idicator that people replied to you.

    Have to admit though, that I do not often comment on stuff and hence only now saw this number and clicked it 😉

  • Carla

    Threatening people so far that they are afraid for their live and that of their loved ones… I would see this as harassment.
    Then
    again, I am told that even so those people sometimes use the GG Tag
    they are apparently also using throw away trolling accounts.
    And as I
    said: Both sides have stupid nut jobs. GG as well as SJW. (It is part
    of the nature of a big group that can not effectively police itself)
    Unfortunately those are the loudest and hence the easiest heard.

    What ever side you are on:

    Threats are NEVER the right thing.
    NEVER EVER.

    Unfortunately,
    without providing places where a reasoned discussion can take place, the shouting of the idiots will remain the most heard “arguments”.
    Hence it is such a shame that the booth was closed down