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What game does everyone seem to love that you despise?
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For me, there's one simple answer: Resident Evil Revelations 2.

Every single element of its game design is inconsistent within itself, and I ended up doing a whole series of game design videos on how badly designed the game was. From its processable information, to bad AI, to the CO-OP not working within the settings they had created, I just don't understand why people like this game. Honestly, the only thing that ends up saving it is its Raid mode, and hell, I still gave the game a 4 out of 10 even with that said.

So, what games do you not get the love for?

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I simply can't get into MMO's of any kind. I don't think they are terrible but I just can't wrap my head around how exactly you are supposed to play them. When I hear people talk about them they sound pretty fun but as soon as I sit down to play one I can't find any of the fun they're talking about. Dunno. My brain just isn't wired for em I guess

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Reagan Cox said
I simply can't get into MMO's of any kind. I don't think they are terrible but I just can't wrap my head around how exactly you are supposed to play them. When I hear people talk about them they sound pretty fun but as soon as I sit down to play one I can't find any of the fun they're talking about. Dunno. My brain just isn't wired for em I guess  

To get into one, you really really have to play with people as you learn what it's all about. 

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Andrew Otton said

To get into one, you really really have to play with people as you learn what it's all about.   

Makes sense. I should try again sometime
 

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I'll list two recent RPGs that most of the staff here will know my opinion on - Dragon Age Inquisition and Fallout 4.

Dragon Age Inquisition is a good game that, in my opinion, is overrated severely. It has a lot of issues with pacing in how it handles open world content and its story suffers later on from that and from the lack of a more active antagonist in many parts. When the game's story is at its best - around the point of the fall of your original base and such it is excellent there and able to evoke feelings and urgency. It's just that such moments are rare and the game contains billions of bits of busy work and has some of the most lackluster enemy variety in a game. I don't really despise it though I guess.

Fallout 4, on the other hand, mixes an okay shooter (which I'm not big on as a genre) with a lot of disrespect to RPGs and the franchise. The dialogue system is an abomination that makes the original Bioware dialogue wheel in Mass Effect 1 look refined. It managed to go significantly backwards from that. It's story and much of its writing (outside of the presentation) is a step up from Fallout 3, but that just means its really bad instead of an abomination. My despise for it though comes from the way it treats the franchise and the rpg genre as a whole.

Fallout 3 gets an even bigger position here. The writing is a level of stupid that can rarely be matched, its world design is all sorts of awful, and the story makes zero sense. It tosses out the turnbased gameplay for mediocre shooting and ... *takes a deep breathe* you can probably expect me sometime to write about Fallout 3 and its incredible stupidity and why I hate it. I'm a big Fallout fan - of 1,2, and New Vegas and I find 3 in particular is incredibly awful. 4 improves writing and world design but introduces the world's worse dialogue system and removes things like ending slides and continues to show Bethesda's lack of understanding of how the was working with building up over time rather then just static post-apocalypse.

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I'll list two recent RPGs that most of the staff here will know my opinion on - Dragon Age Inquisition and Fallout 4.

Dragon Age Inquisition is a good game that, in my opinion, is overrated severely. It has a lot of issues with pacing in how it handles open world content and its story suffers later on from that and from the lack of a more active antagonist in many parts. When the game's story is at its best - around the point of the fall of your original base and such it is excellent there and able to evoke feelings and urgency. It's just that such moments are rare and the game contains billions of bits of busy work and has some of the most lackluster enemy variety in a game. I don't really despise it though I guess.

Fallout 4, on the other hand, mixes an okay shooter (which I'm not big on as a genre) with a lot of disrespect to RPGs and the franchise. The dialogue system is an abomination that makes the original Bioware dialogue wheel in Mass Effect 1 look refined. It managed to go significantly backwards from that. It's story and much of its writing (outside of the presentation) is a step up from Fallout 3, but that just means its really bad instead of an abomination. My despise for it though comes from the way it treats the franchise and the rpg genre as a whole.

Fallout 3 gets an even bigger position here. The writing is a level of stupid that can rarely be matched, its world design is all sorts of awful, and the story makes zero sense. It tosses out the turnbased gameplay for mediocre shooting and ... *takes a deep breathe* you can probably expect me sometime to write about Fallout 3 and its incredible stupidity and why I hate it. I'm a big Fallout fan - of 1,2, and New Vegas and I find 3 in particular is incredibly awful. 4 improves writing and world design but introduces the world's worse dialogue system and removes things like ending slides and continues to show Bethesda's lack of understanding of how the was working with building up over time rather then just static post-apocalypse.  

I've never been a big fan of any of the Dragon Age games. I don't think I had as much of a problem with Fallout 4 as you did though. I had many of the same issues you did with it but I love shooters so a more shooter heavy RPG doesn't bother me as much. I also just played it for the first time like last month and I modded the shit out of it so perhaps that helped.

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Reagan Cox said

I've never been a big fan of any of the Dragon Age games. I don't think I had as much of a problem with Fallout 4 as you did though. I had many of the same issues you did with it but I love shooters so a more shooter heavy RPG doesn't bother me as much. I also just played it for the first time like last month and I modded the shit out of it so perhaps that helped.  

If a game needs mods to be playable or enjoyable it has serious problems. And Fallout 4 needs mods to be more than mediocre especially with that awful atrocity of a dialogue system.

That dialogue system really hurt it in my opinion.

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I don't disagree but that doesn't take away from the fact that mods do make it much more playable

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Reagan Cox said
I don't disagree but that doesn't take away from the fact that mods do make it much more playable  

Oh definitely.

But Bethesda games have gone from where Morrowind had mods that could enhance to the point today that mods are basically essential. So essential that now they are putting them on consoles!

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Souls games.

I've started Dark Souls like three times, got two hours in every time, and hated it. Gave Bloodborne an honest shot, got to like the third or so boss, the Blood-Starved Beast, and decided I also didn't really care for it no matter how hard I tried. Gave Salt & Sanctuary an honest shot and also gave up on the third boss. Couldn't even finish the recent Nioh demo. The only Souls-like I managed to finish was Lords of the Fallen and that was probably because it just told me what to do rather than let me wander around annoyed and lost.

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Can't think of many popular games I despise, so I'll jump on the Fallout hate train. Off the top of my head (haven't played in a while), one issue I have is the UI is frustrating. Then there's the fact I am sick of games like Fallout 3/4, BioShock and Borderlands that require you to scavenge a dozen containers in every room for largely insignificant amounts of resources.

And then there's my biggest problem: It presents itself as a shooter, but feels extremely clunky as one. Can't quite put my finger on it, but something is off with the shooting. Not expecting Call of Duty, sprinting around and 360 no-scoping and all that, but it just doesn't feel that nice to me.

I'm a huge fan of the STALKER games and while they are not perfect they just satisfy my open-world survival shooter itch much better, even if Fallout has better story.

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Reagan Cox said

I've never been a big fan of any of the Dragon Age games.  

Me either. I tried to finish the first one, but just couldn't do it. It felt slow and clunky to me, and I got bored frequently :/

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Rutledge Daugette said

Reagan Cox said
I've never been a big fan of any of the Dragon Age games.  

Me either. I tried to finish the first one, but just couldn't do it. It felt slow and clunky to me, and I got bored frequently :/  

Well then you might like the later ones which change combat system significantly. The first, imo, was the most complete of the bunch but I like your old RTwP combat systems some like Baldur's Gate which is where it was going.

DA 2 has the issue of EA pushing it out too fast but that impacts dungeon design and things like that. 

DA 3 plays out much more like an MMO in combat and a lot of ways - a single player MMO for much of it (yes it also has a poor tacked on multiplayer but Single Player MMO is how DAI's combat plays and a lot of its sections).

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Ohoh, I always get a lot of flack for that one, but Ocarina of Times is a game I always thought was empty, repetitive and boring.

Now it might just be that I don't have nostalgia goggles on, since I first played it for myself just after Windwaker (it came in the same box on the Gamecube, at least in Europe) and it just does not compare on any aspect for me. Gameplay mechanics or graphics, I understand, games evolve and it's kind of a given that they're supposed to improve from Ocarina to Windwaker. But even in terms of mood, chara design, story, quest structure, exploration, for me Ocarina is way inferior.

Even trying to take the game independently and judge it for what it is, Ocarina never did it for me. I don't want to explore the world because there is nothing enticing in it. Nothing drawing me in. The Hyrule plain is a big expanse of nothing with the Lonlon ranch being the only landmark in it. The fight against mobs is just lock-on, press A and sometimes you'll have to sidestep. None of the dungeons feel clever or complicated (even the dreaded water dungeon is simple if you just walk straight and don't deviate from the intended path). None of the characters I met along the way had anything even remotely interesting to say - though I suppose the Zoras did have a cool design at least.

It's not that I find it bad, just boring. The music is amazing of course, but that's really not enough to keep me in. I never finished the game, and to be honest the only reason I even pushed past the forest temple was everyone thinking this was a cult classic, leading me to think I was missing something. If I was I never found what it was. And I'm glad my introduction to the LoZ franchise was Windwaker and not Ocarina, because if it had been, I would have been missing on so much (in fact I think I've loved every other Zelda game I've played - which includes all Gameboy ones, Twilight Princess, Majora's Mask and Four Swords Adventure).

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Saruling said
Ohoh, I always get a lot of flack for that one, but Ocarina of Times is a game I always thought was empty, repetitive and boring.

Now it might just be that I don't have nostalgia goggles on, since I first played it for myself just after Windwaker (it came in the same box on the Gamecube, at least in Europe) and it just does not compare on any aspect for me. Gameplay mechanics or graphics, I understand, games evolve and it's kind of a given that they're supposed to improve from Ocarina to Windwaker. But even in terms of mood, chara design, story, quest structure, exploration, for me Ocarina is way inferior.
Even trying to take the game independently and judge it for what it is, Ocarina never did it for me. I don't want to explore the world because there is nothing enticing in it. Nothing drawing me in. The Hyrule plain is a big expanse of nothing with the Lonlon ranch being the only landmark in it. The fight against mobs is just lock-on, press A and sometimes you'll have to sidestep. None of the dungeons feel clever or complicated (even the dreaded water dungeon is simple if you just walk straight and don't deviate from the intended path). None of the characters I met along the way had anything even remotely interesting to say - though I suppose the Zoras did have a cool design at least.

It's not that I find it bad, just boring. The music is amazing of course, but that's really not enough to keep me in. I never finished the game, and to be honest the only reason I even pushed past the forest temple was everyone thinking this was a cult classic, leading me to think I was missing something. If I was I never found what it was. And I'm glad my introduction to the LoZ franchise was Windwaker and not Ocarina, because if it had been, I would have been missing on so much (in fact I think I've loved every other Zelda game I've played - which includes all Gameboy ones, Twilight Princess, Majora's Mask and Four Swords Adventure).  

Going to go one step further and say every single Zelda game besides Majora's Mask and Wind Waker is mind-numbingly generic and 7 or 8/10s at best.

Also, Asura's Wrath is better than any Telltale game that isn't The Wolf Among Us.

And classic Fallout games were never that good.

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Perry Ruhland said

Asura's Wrath is better than any Telltale game that isn't The Wolf Among Us.

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Perry Ruhland said

Going to go one step further and say every single Zelda game besides Majora's Mask and Wind Waker is mind-numbingly generic and 7 or 8/10s at best.

Also, Asura's Wrath is better than any Telltale game that isn't The Wolf Among Us.

And classic Fallout games were never that good.  

Do you encompass the 2D Zelda games in that too?

Also agreed on classic Fallout. For me, fight mechanics are janky and super easy to abuse, plot not nearly as deep or edgy as it pretends to be, exploration not rewarding enough. Also should not have been able to kill a Deathclaw with melee on my first encounter with one of my first and only playthrough of Fallout 1. Still did though.

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I wouldn't say I despise them but I've never been able to get into loot games like Borderlands and Destiny.  I feel like they're on auto-pilot while I endlessly chase a carrot on a stick.

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The tide has turned over the years, but Resident Evil 4 is it for me.

 

Don't get me wrong, mechanically it is a fantastic game. As a video game, its design is stellar. But it wasn't a Resident Evil game and its shift towards 3rd person action shooting has become a cancer on the franchise.

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Perry Ruhland said

Going to go one step further and say every single Zelda game besides Majora's Mask and Wind Waker is mind-numbingly generic and 7 or 8/10s at best.

Also, Asura's Wrath is better than any Telltale game that isn't The Wolf Among Us.

And classic Fallout games were never that good.  

The Wolf Among Us was the beginning of Telltale's downfall. Technical issues, too fast turnaround, cutting corners,lazy writing, and stripping away anything for the player to do. It benefited solely from having a great IP to draw from in Fables.

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