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Update: Jeff Kaplan has released a more in-depth statement on the matter and why they are making the change as well as reopening the thread for discussion:

Well, that escalated quickly…

While I stand by my previous comment, I realize I should have been more clear. As the game director, I have final creative say over what does or does not go into the game. With this particular decision, it was an easy one to make—not just for me, but for the art team as well. We actually already have an alternate pose that we love and we feel speaks more to the character of Tracer. We weren’t entirely happy with the original pose, it was always one that we wrestled with creatively. That the pose had been called into question from an appropriateness standpoint by players in our community did help influence our decision—getting that kind of feedback is part of the reason we’re holding a closed beta test—but it wasn’t the only factor. We made the decision to go with a different pose in part because we shared some of the same concerns, but also because we wanted to create something better.

We wouldn’t do anything to sacrifice our creative vision for Overwatch, and we’re not going to remove something solely because someone may take issue with it. Our goal isn’t to water down or homogenize the world, or the diverse cast of heroes we’ve built within it. We have poured so much of our heart and souls into this game that it would be a travesty for us to do so.

We understand that not everyone will agree with our decision, and that’s okay. That’s what these kinds of public tests are for. This wasn’t pandering or caving, though. This was the right call from our perspective, and we think the game will be just as fun the next time you play it.

If it isn’t, feel free to continue sharing your concerns, thoughts, and feedback about this and other issues you may have with the game, please just keep the discussion respectful.

Thanks,

jeffrey

(btw, unlocking this thread. please continue the discussion here)

Debate over it still continues, and other videos mocking it some have come out, like esteemed Youtuber Totalbiscuit’s which you can see here.


Original Story:

Tracer’s “Over the Shoulder” victory pose is being removed from Overwatch following a complaint on the game’s forums.

The thread in question was started by a user going by the name of “Fipps” on the official Overwatch forums. Fipps goes to describe their interpretation of Tracer as a character and how they feel the pose is not in line with Blizzard’s characterization of Tracer:

Overwatch Tracer 220 Vertical

The “Over The Shoulder” pose in question. This image (as well as the header) were sourced from the image used by the OP Fipps in the thread on the Overwatch forums.

WHAT? What about this pose has anything to do with the character you’re building in tracer? It’s not fun, its not silly, it has nothing to do with being a fast elite killer. It just reduces tracer to another bland female sex symbol.

After 11 pages of discussion, Overwatch Game Director Jeff Kaplan stated that they will be removing the pose from the game:

We’ll replace the pose. We want *everyone* to feel strong and heroic in our community. The last thing we want to do is make someone feel uncomfortable, under-appreciated or misrepresented.

Apologies and we’ll continue to try to do better.

The thread itself went on for 11 pages over three days with various points of discussion. Posters brought up that other characters both male and female had similar poses. The question of Tracer’s clothing was raised as well. For example, some posters questioned whether the issue was with the pose itself or with Tracer’s skintight pants.

As one would expect, articles and videos have come out about the topic such as this video by YouTuber Unit Lost:

The original thread has been locked. This is a common occurrence on the Blizzard forums after these has been a response to the topic by a Blizzard employee. The Overwatch Beta Feedback forum have since been inundated with further discussion on the matter – here’s an archive snapshot from around 6:00PM Eastern Time.

This isn’t the first time this year that a particular view of a woman’s posterior has caused controversy. The Street Fighter V character R. Mika had a butt slap animation changed prior to the release of the game.

We’ve reached out to Blizzard for comment.


Quick Take

I personally think that removing a pose, animation, or whatever that doesn’t suit the character is a perfectly reasonable justification. However, to my mind, the complaint seems to be “Sexuality isn’t a major part of Tracer’s character, I interpret this post as sexual, therefore remove it.” The response by Game Director Jeff Kaplan is frankly very worrying to me. We have a handful of people taking offense at something compared to most other players (judging by a perusal of the thread) and something from the game being subsequently removed so as not to upset this minority of people. If games, art, literature, or anything else creative is to be changed based on the sensibilities of an upset vocal minority then we’re going to start seeing some very bland and boring things in the coming years.

Do you think it was right of Blizzard to remove the “Over The Shoulder” pose from Tracer? Do you feel that the pose is not fitting to her character? Let us know in the comments below!

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  • wombat

    Some of the male characters have the same or similar pose, why do those remain?

  • Azure

    I am really worried for D.va’s future now this has happened.

  • Heavily Augmented

    The worst part about it all is how Blizzard just completely ignored the majority of people who disagreed with the original poster just to please the vocal minority of people complaining.

  • Dom The Elegy

    http://i.imgur.com/X4hpCXL.gif

    When will this ever stop being relevant?
    You’d think that they’d learn from Capcom’s recent censorship. Did that help sales? Fuck no. Will this help sales? Fuck no.
    Will it hurt sales? Might just.

  • Nathaniel Plain

    First they remove innocuous magazines on the floor of an out-house and now they remove a victory pose. EDIT: It never really occurred to me just how well this quote works for both sides of the argument until I saw this specific frame.

  • This is why we can’t have nice things.

    I choose to believe that – some day – game developers will stop bending the knee to every ‘offended’ crybaby that begs them to “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” in games that are clearly not meant for them. Until that day comes, I’m going to live in a cave with inexplicably good wiring, plumbing, and internet access.

  • Honk Honk

    people should spam them with nitpicking about the other characters until its a game about different colored blocks shooting other blocks

  • I imagine you haven’t clicked through to the feedback forums for the beta I linked above. That is exactly what is happening.

    Once you submit to a single such complaint you open yourself to many similar complaints. You’ll be asked to justify why you make the change in Situation A but not in Situations B, C, and D.

  • Nicki Ashley

    Blizzard is just as bad as Obsidian. I’d feel bad for the developers if they hadn’t started this project by capitulating to PC police. IIRC they even added a whole new character based on SJW complaints. This will end badly for them.

  • blizzard is afraid of feminazis, that’s why they took OP’s side.

  • Bitterbear

    Chances are that some MBA is pushing the ideology to prioritize those who are not your target audience because of the illusion that they could be potential sales.

  • Robert Grosso

    EscherGirls pose for women only basically, typical double standard stuff.

    In truth the pose is dumb no matter how you slice it, but for women it’s typically meant to show off sexuality of women over men, mostly in things like comics and stuff because the pose is mostly impossible or disproportionate.

  • Unbeliever

    Isn’t this pose really tame? For example if compared to what you see in most Bioware games.

  • solutha

  • Seansong1

    oh no -_-

  • Seansong1

    simple really

  • Reptile

    They also removed me from “potential players” list.

  • ThatGuy

    Welp, I know where not to spend my money now.

  • I will never play Overwatch. Ever. Fuck censorship.

  • Peace Lover

    You can’t say its not related to Tracer. She’s so fast, you’re way behind her, that’s why she looks you over the shoulder.

  • Tarzan

    PUT IT BACK. TIME TO GO TO CHANGE.ORG. We are morally and numerically superior to the SJW scumbags. They’re not allowed to influence our culture with their sexist racist toxic ideology anymore.

  • Burst Limit

    We are going to have to go back to pong blocks in order to please these idiots

  • Ninad Gaikwad

    And then they wonder why developers don’t want to add female main characters. It is because of whiners like this who will nitpick at every small aspect of the character hunting for anything they can interpret as being sexist.

  • Robert “Robovski” Turner

    How dare you be so insensitive to the problems caused by block on block violence!

  • Robert “Robovski” Turner

    That has been relevant for decades now.

  • Robert “Robovski” Turner

    Heavens forfend! A woman has a butt! We can’t be having that in a mature rated video game – it might hurt the childrens!

    That said, if that is all the butt she could muster we aren’t missing out on much.

  • ParasiteX

    Wow… now they are doubling down on stupid..

    How about this.. why not just keep the old pose, while adding the alternate pose. That way people can choose which fucking pose they want.. And everyone is happy… But no, let’s just go full retard/SJW like always..

  • Tower

    More characters than just Tracer have the Over The Shoulder victory pose but hers is the only one the whining prat on the forum took umbrage with and by “pure coincidence” the game director and the rest of the team ultimately agreed with that?

  • Invin

    Well, we wouldn’t want anyone to be uncomfortable! Better just delete the rest of the game too since it’s all offensive to someone.

  • Dr Dub

    I don’t believe a word of the updated explanation. It’s just an attempt at damaged control.

    Still, complaining on forums is a waste of time. If YOU buy the game you are endorsing this behaviour. I personally wasn’t going to play it so won’t be buying it anyway, if they did this in WoW and altered/removed some of the dances/emotes/outfits I’d delete all my characters and unsubscribe permanently.

    So anyone buying this game and expecting “someone else” to boycott it – STFU, you are part of the problem.

  • I already asked to get my shit suplexed through a window over on Niche Gamer because of the censorship in Star Ocean 5.

    But fuck it, I’ll do it for this too. Suplex me though that window again fam. And land me on the table this time. Wake me up when the censorship ends.

  • Nitesco

    Tracer’s lack of ass aside…Considering the little attention surrounding the innocuous pose in the first place (outside of that one forum thread with a very small minority complaining), there would have been far less noise surrounding this if the pose was left as it is. And this pose is available to all heroes on top of being totally optional, yes?

    In any case, it’s been said that it’s going to be changed, word got loose, and now most of the Internet’s eyes are on it. Oops! All Attention! Great job. This sole complaint could have been addressed with “We understand, but no” or simply ignored, then people would just be talking about the actual game of Overwatch instead of this nonsense and making fools of themselves on Twitter over it.

    This situation of drawing mass, unwanted attention with a change to something where there was little to no chatter about it before has happened with assorted developers…how many times as of late? From what I’ve seen, no one in charge of making these decisions is actually learning from what’s happened before, and it’s just going to continue repeating itself. Never mind that decisions like this come off as patronizing to other people that aren’t bothered.

    I’m still at least considering checking out Overwatch regardless of this one pose change. However, the handing of this by Jeff Kaplan and/or whoever on high at Blizzard made the call is shortsighted and frankly, fucking stupid.

  • Béla

    For the “impossible” part…not really.

  • Tower

    Because of the very clear double standard Fipps pushed in the name of diversity.
    A double standard that the development team is now admitting they’re going to adhere to.

  • Kerberous

    “Because SJWs and feminists would have said bad things about us.” is the shorter response that we didn’t get.

  • Nope Naw

    … *sigh*

    Completely innocuous pose is suddenly overtly sexual? Check.
    Other characters do the exact same thing? Check.
    “Won’t anyone think of the children?!”? Check.
    Changed immediately to appease one person, who may or may not be female? Check.
    Response from a female who disagrees strongly completely ignored? Check.

    This shit is tiring. I mean, Blizzard already felt the festering, pustulous, retardation of the SJW/feminist-crybullies when they included Zarya. A character that should, by all counts, be the exact thing they wanted. And they -still- threw a fucking tantrum. Now Blizzard is caving down because of one single complaint? You fucking wot mate? You should’ve fucking learned by now!

    I found the original pose kinda bland and boring, but that’s not grounds for removing it. Kaplan claims the removal isn’t pandering or caving. I call bullshit on that.

  • Winston_from_the_Ministry

    Do they expect us to buy that they already had an alternative they preferred any way? Why wasn’t it in there already if they preferred it?

  • Pesty

    And especially if this is just the start of an avalanche of politically correct changes and concessions to SJWs, it will most definitely hurt sales.

    Either way, it was a stupid decision on Kaplan’s part. Capitulating on even such a small thing as this one piece of art & animation will not quiet the SJWs. They will never be satisfied no matter how much ground you give them. And now Kaplan is stuck doubling down on his decision in order to try and save face.

    “No no, I was totally already going to make this change in order to realize our original vision.”

    I just hope he learned his lesson now before he starts really gutting parts of the project in order to appease the chronically offended.

  • Aiat

    Hehe, I love the idiots thanking him after his update. how does anyone believe they actually wanted to remove that pose?!

  • Smoky_the_Bear

    See he’s backtracking now. If they wanted to change it, why didn’t they go ahead and just change it? They don’t have to justify every little change to the players. All people would have done is gone “Huh, Tracer got a new animation”.

    No, they released a full statement about how they changed it because of what this single individual posted because they thought it would look good if they showed, as loudly as possible, how down they are with “teh social justices”. It backfired on them and now they are in full retreat damage control over the situation.

  • Smoky_the_Bear

    Yep, of course it’s pandering. If it wasn’t pandering they would have just changed it without anything more than a single line in the patch notes. They didn’t, they went “HEY, Look at how progressive we are”, and people roundly told them to go fuck themselves, now they are trying to talk their way out of a boneheaded move.

  • Smoky_the_Bear

    Yep that’s the full on stupid thing about it.
    These people just want to complain, they feel vindicated when their internet whining gets something changed. They will cry and moan about more female characters, when someone does that and puts in “strong female characters”, they won’t congratulate them for doing so and be happy, they will, as you say, then nitpick even harder to try and find something about said female character to complain about.
    These people do not care about games, they only care about complaining on the internet, that’s what they do. It doesn’t matter what the games industry does, they will find something to complain about. The industry needs to start realising this and stop listening to these perpetual whiners, because you will never please them.

  • ‘Well, that escalated quickly…’

    Too true! An artistic choice was reversed based on the mixed feedback of a forum thread after two days, and Blizz supposedly had no faith in the pose to begin with?

    Look Blizz, if you’re not confident in your work then why should I be? All you’ve done is swapped one asinine basis for your final decision for another.

  • Captain Gibus

    Diversity in character and personality, read the entire post. Don’t be so afraid of the term diversity, Fipps just wants a more varied and consistent cast.

  • Captain Gibus

    Don’t worry, Fipps wrote that sexuality is more in character for her and Widowmaker, I doubt they’ll change it. I really do believe they did this to keep Tracer more in character.

  • Captain Gibus

    Because people are afraid of change, as is made clear in articles and comment sections like these.

  • Robert Grosso

    Tracer might want to get her spine adjusted then, it’s bending way too far for her to stand upright.

  • Béla

    http://kassandraleigh.deviantart.com/art/GeneticPerfection-MassEffect-Miranda-Lawson-485524916

    You mean like this?

    Plus in a game where there are talking gorillas, teleportation, personal flying devices and so forth, THIS is the most unbelievable thing? Holy fuck man.

  • Robert Grosso

    Yeah pretty much.

    I was always bothered by these posings, but it’s so prevalent in art and games and stuff it’s kind of…well to me at least kind of lazy in terms of a design, mainly because it’s pandering first over offering substance.

    Not really a question of unbelievability, keep that in mind. I don’t really give a darn if it’s real or not or in a world with talking gorillas and teleportation, that’s just an excuse to justify what I feel is a cheap pose; Eshergirl posing is so common it’s usually the only way women are often depicted, and since it’s pandering and for sex appeal first, personally I find that to be a problem.

    Now should they change it though, that’s another story altogether…

  • Bitterbear

    Colored Blocks is a racist statement, you know. The proper term is Blocks of Color.

  • Smoky_the_Bear

    If you think the reaction is because of “change” you are severely misguided tbh.

  • Smoky_the_Bear

    Yep I agree, I think they see the Social Justice crowd in gaming as an untapped resource and are trying to pander to them as much as possible in the hope that they all buy the game.

    I think Blizzard is wrong about this though, because these people don’t want a game that makes them happy, they want to find things they can complain about. Once they’ve complained and changes have been made they feel vindicated and move on to the next game they can whinge about. Probably not even buying the game that they “fixed” in the process.

  • YuCMi

    If this is the behavior Blizzard is going with, then I’m not interested in their game anymore.

  • Chris Anderson

    While I agree that Blizzard shouldn’t have buckled for the complaint because it’s a bit silly, I also think that the community at large is having an overreaction to it. They didn’t take your game away, none of the mechanics are changed, the game is still pretty much exactly like it was and still a lot of people are acting like Blizzard came to their house, kicked the door in and pissed on your favourite carpet.

    Also a point that many people seem to be missing on forums and such is that the complaint was levied against Tracer specifically because the pose seems out of character for her. While I don’t think that pose speaks at all for what the character is all about since it’s just her looking over her shoulder, I think it’s good to remember that they were talking about Tracer specifically.

    This person didn’t complain about the likes of Widowmaker, possible because her sexuality is pretty much a part of who she is since she’s supposed to be a femme fatale kind of character.

    I don’t agree with the complaint, but I can see where this person is coming from.

  • PuzzlePlate

    Other idiots might go down to gamestop and demand a refund for this small thing, but it’s just a pose, an animation. Now if they changed tracer or D.AV or someone else entirely, I’d have justification to get my pre-order refunded. Let this be a warning Blizzard I’m behind you on this, but the minute you go full SJ I’ll be out the door

  • Nathaniel Plain

    The main issue I’ve had with Blizzard is that they are prone to making changes either as a complete removal of content or without any real discussion with the community. For instance, we had them remove magazines from the out-house because people were making masturabation jokes. A simple change in one of the art assets, such as putting in Hanzo or Winston art, would have changed the discussion while leaving the content intact.

    For Tracer, it is not out of character that she would have a victory pose where she would be looking over her shoulder. This is no different form a comic book character like The Flash or Quicksilver who is gloating over their speed over their opponent. What is an issue is that Tracer’s character design and clothing accentuates here butt due to tight pants and heavy jacket. A simple tweak, such as putting the legs closer together, or putting her in a mock “on your mark” pose, would have been acceptable alterations.

    So I will be interested to see what they produce as an alternative to the current pose, but I am not holding my breath that it will be an alteration. It will be a completely different pose.

  • PuzzlePlate

    Yeah the PR was kinda shit, I’m on board with believing it was going to be changed eventually. It could have been ignored on the forums then subtlety changed during beta with only a footnote in a patch, but because they had to address it; now everyone is having a pissing contest over it…

  • Chris Anderson

    I see what you’re saying, but I disagree on its importance. One could also argue that removing the pose is the solution, and relatively little of value was lost because of it.

    And yes, it is a removal but it’s one that is of no consequence to most people and as such am I surprised at the huge response which goes well above and beyond what the response, in my opinion, should have been. A mild shrug would have sufficed.

  • Nathaniel Plain

    This is the Internet. There is no such thing as a shrug.

    But in all honesty, the reason why you are seeing this kind of outcry is that these kind of changes do seem to be directly squarely at making the straight male seem like some kind of animal, rather making the game more inclusive to all. So it is not a simple animation or pose, but rather, an attack on male sexuality.

  • Brandon Kidwell

    Like this?

  • Chris Anderson

    I’ll allow it.

  • Azure

    Doesn’t stop some other offendtron from complaining and getting Jeff to religiously rim their butt crack.

  • What? That pose is the ONLY reason i even considered buying that game. Lost a sale now. Sex sells. Facts of life.

  • because: feminazi logic rules

  • ParasiteX

    People are not pissed because they made a small change they didn’t like.
    The main reason everyone is so fucking angry. Is why Blizzard made the change. To please one tiny little minority. And how fucking easily they buckle over to one whiny little voice. And can’t stand by whatever creative decisions they’ve made.

  • HUNTER

    What sucks about this is that now that they’ve given a little change that a SJW cried about, more SJWs will just snowball it, and then more might be changed.
    Those people aren’t able to be pleased, they just want more and more afterwards, and can only think their side is true, and any other side should be indicative of pro-oppression or some garbage.

  • HUNTER

    Fipps wants sexuality to be removed.
    Tracer is an insanely unique and recognizable figure, with the bright orange jumpsuit with the bomber jacket, and english accent? You could recognize her easily with only a few seconds of seeing her.

    Just because a character can/is/wants to be sexy doesn’t designate them as bad, or a slut, or any term you can think of, it’s incredibly natural.

    Next thing is, he’ll be begging for another design feature to be removed because his soft little self doesn’t like it, even if he’s the only one in a million who feels that way, which is generally the kind of number you’d ignore.

  • Tower

    I read the entire post, I’ve read the entire thread about this crap and his entire argument is bullshit. Beyond a few bits of voicework during combat and what they say upon victory or losing the character’s don’t need in-depth personalities. It’s a damn arena shooter, not an RPG.
    The idea that a victory pose takes something away from Tracer’s character or portrays her differently than how someone thinks she ought to be is absolutely ridiculous. This Fipps guy didn’t like seeing Tracer’s rear end during a particular victory pose and made an outrage post about it, obfuscating it with nonsense about character personalities. He also laced his arguments with just enough social justice bullshit to attract like-minded idiots to do his fighting for him and then he bowed out of the conversation until Kaplan caved in and made an official statement.

  • I’m still trying to find someone who can explain to me: Is this the ONLY pose that Tracer has?

    Most online multiplayer games I’ve played, each character gets various different poses they can do depending on the situation (salute a victory, mourn a loss, taunt etc) so I want to know if this is the only pose that Tracer was capable of doing, or if it was part of a roster of poses available to the character.

  • AnarKreig

    I only feel sorry for the miserable suckers that’ll purchase this.

  • Chris Anderson

    That makes zero sense at all. It’s just a pose.

  • Captain Gibus

    Of course a character can be sexy, but it fits some characters more than others. Widowmaker and innuendo are like peanut butter and jelly, but someone like Tracer? Nah, man, that really doesn’t seem like her thing. Especially considering that she is supposed to be the one who kids in the OW universe look up to the most, it really just feels forced and mindless with that victory pose when they could make something much more characteristic. As plenty of people have already pointed out, several other characters already have similar poses.

  • Captain Gibus

    Even an arena shooter needs personality, just look at TF2. Of course I acknowledge that he was acting like an SJW and that his reasons alone are not good enough to change it, but I want to offer a different perspective in which the character actually changes for the better. Considering Blizzard’s response I really do think Blizzard themselves were a bit unconfident in their decision to use that animation, and even though I think letting the community control a game’s development can get really messy this change will be for the better, even if an oversensitive whiner started it.

  • Captain Gibus

    True, but that is a problem for another day, that hopefully doesn’t come around.

  • Captain Gibus

    “Don’t touch muh vidya that hasn’t even been released yet”
    If people just took a step back and looked at what’s actually going to happen (an out-of-character victory pose will be changed for one more consistent with the character) I think the reaction wouldn’t be so damn hateful. People need to chill, man.

  • Zepherdog

    I know for sure I won’t be getting this anymore so yes, at least one lost sale.

  • Zepherdog

    I’d rather they pander to sex appeal than censorship.

  • Sigh, big companies bending over backwards for thin skinned SJW fuckwits..

    This “Offended” bullshit culture needs to put to an end. Same goes for political correctness in video games and other media.

  • Scootinfroodie

    Meant to respond to this earlier but didn’t get around to it. Two main issues with what you posted here
    1. What substance is mean to come from a generic pose? What do you hope to learn from a pose every character has? What would a “substantial” character pose be?
    2. You keep insisting/implying this is an impossible pose (by continuing to bring up “Eschergirls”) when people can actually pose like that. I can pull off the scandalous tracer pose with my thin-ass manbody. The picture linked is of a real person doing one of the supposed “unrealistic” poses and I’m seeing more and more often that poses people don’t like are being called impossible.

    As far as pandering goes, I don’t see any issue with it so long as there’s a level of consistency involved. Shit like Capcom getting blasted over a buttslap while pics of “sexy Ryu” are getting tossed around is ridiculous. Similarly, a slightly mischievous look and a hip tilt are absolutely not out of place in a game with Widowmaker in it, especially when there’s nothing listing Tracer as prudish or afraid of expressing sexuality. This is the scandalous exposed ankle of video games

  • Robert Grosso

    Anyone can try and pose like that, doesn’t matter if it’s doable or real, it’s still kind of lazy in terms of a design standpoint, and unrealistic because it’s not easily achievable.

    I guess in this case there is consistency with the poses, since other characters have very similar Eschergirl styles to them, and are arguably even lazier, but you got a point there in the end.

    Doesn’t mean it’s still not lazy design work. As to what would a substantial pose be, I have no idea; something that helps define the character and their abilities perhaps. Does the back shot with Tracers visible ass crack show off her skills with guns and teleporting?

  • Scootinfroodie

    If I can do the pose with my ganglyass uncoordinated male body, I’m sure an athletic, acrobatic woman can pull it off. This isnt Cirque du Soleil shit

    I have yet to see impossible poses from Overwatch. Not saying they couldnt possibly exist, but I have yet to see anything that evokes “Escher” from the game. At “worst” there’s cartoonish proportions

    What does Hanzo’s over the shoulder pose show? What does Widowmaker’s? It’s just a generic action pose. Not every single cosmetic needs to tell you more about a character’s backstory or personality. They just need to be desirable options, and the community backlash shows that there’s at least a few people who want that option

    Additionally, I’m guessing you’re not a big fan of Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure. If a really standard action pose with butt emphasis causes this much of a fuss, what damage would Battle Tendency do to young men? Camp and cheesecake needn’t reduce a character to a shallow stereotype or somehow oppress a particular group. They can just be shit that’s done “for fun”

  • Robert Grosso

    I don’t like anime or manga in general, when I was younger it was cool but most of what I see now kind of sucks.

    And I also agree, Hanzo, Widowmaker, all of them are very lazy in terms of posing and design. You think it’s just Tracer?

    Cartoonish proportions maybe, but doesn’t change the fact of the matter.

  • Scootinfroodie

    JJBA started in ’87 and is one of those series that would be pretty standard fare if it wasn’t so eccentric. The reason why I brought it up is because there’s a fairly steady stream of goofy, flamboyant and somewhat sexual poses that the muscular male characters of the series perform.

    As far as manga/anime as a whole, I take the same stance I do with gaming: there’s a lot of older, cool things I need to check out and the few cool new things can filter into that as they happen. I don’t have to care about FF13: Please buy my waifu or the latest multi season ad for body pillows to enjoy SaGa or Ghost in the Shell. And when we get another Gurren Lagann or Bayonetta I’m all over that shit (fingers crossed for Scarlet Grace and Integrity and Faithlessness not being hot garbage)

    Back on topic, I’m not seeing lazyness here. Creating a generic action pose for 4 or 5 characters for people who want it isn’t any more lazy than deciding to make your roster cartoony and simplistic. It’s just a matter of priorities and intent. I dislike some of the design of newer JRPGs but I wouldn’t call it lazy, even if it’s not necessarily as deep or effective as shit that runs on my PS1

    Also it’s worth noting that there’s already an image of a cosplayer rather casually pulling off Tracer’s former 2lewd pose. I suspect we’ll see a few more in the next couple of weeks

    Edit: minor wording changes and typo fixes. I need to stop responding via cellphone

  • Katherine Winyala

    Was considering picking up the game but… seeing as how they’re pandering to SJWs, feminists, and other scum of the earth PC types, I’ll save my money. And that’s coming from a woman.

  • Pinkk

    Same. Was interested in the game, but now, if they’re going to give in to such little things, I imagine the rest of the game to go down at the littlest of complaints.

  • Furniture Store Owner

    if ever they’ll give that pose to a MALE character with similar personalities, nobody will complain
    *some human logic*

  • Captain Gibus

    I would.