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Today,  Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart released another group of emails from the now widely known GameJournoPros, or Game Journalism Professionals mailing list. Basically, the final thread is full of emails of complete surprise over the uproar that the gaming community went into when its existence and content was revealed. Plenty of comments were said in a joking matter, implying how moronic it was for the community to be this up in arms. Well, this is definitely not joking or laughing matter.

The full list of emails can be seen at the link above, but here are some highlights to exemplify much of what the thread says:

Jason Venter of HonestGamers, as well as freelance work:

If anyone had reached out to any of us for comment on this story, would we have had any reason to deny that such a list exists? I don’t think so. I see no reason to be ashamed of the existence

James Fudge, managing editor at GamePolitics.com:

Well i’m now in a cabal of elite journalists apparently. Thank a lot Obama!

yeah and my underwear is haunted.I’m excited that some of my many one-liners will finally become public!

Ben Gilbert, senior editor at Engadget:

Attention Milo! There are — drumroll — listservs of game devs too. Lots of them! ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER. IMAGINE THAT.

The two groups talking to one another is obviously not comparable. The issue isn’t that a group of people, all of which share a profession, come together to discuss things, but it is the nature of the journalist profession. Game journalists are the first line of defense for readers from corruption and exploitation – they shouldn’t be in a position to actively participate in either of those.

Alex Navarro of Giantbomb:

If anything I feel like this has given the group new life! Let us persevere in the face of this weird idiot who doesn’t understand how anything works!

Originally I thought I would put some more quotes here, but they all fall along similar lines as above. Most are full of snark and jokes about how absurd they see the whole situation. How the existence of such a group doesn’t matter, about how they talk about their puppy pictures or other inane topics. Nobody cares that much of the discussion in the group could have been absolutely nothing and void of any significance. But, when threads like the original one about the Zoe Quinn scandal exist, and what was said/discussed there, then everyone cares. The potential for discussion like that, and the evidence that at least one happened, is more than enough to make this a serious issue.

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The most incredible thing about the whole list has to do with that email from Kyle Orland above (which was not from this email thread, but from before). What is underlined is what Orland claims to be the inspiration for the group. The JournoList, which you can read more about here and on wikipedia, is pretty much exactly like the GameJournoPros list we see here.

A group of liberal journalists got together to discuss issues and stories they would run. In it they discussed killing stories because they might reflect poorly on Barack Obama, or calling their opponents (conservatives) racists to turn the issue into something else. That sounds really familiar doesn’t it?

This was the group that “inspired” Orland to create the GameJournoPros list. What was so inspiring about the list? The fact that it was full of collusion and obviously corrupted? There doesn’t seem to be anything redeeming about the JournoList, which also seems to have been full of the many tasteless/unfunny jokes similar to what is in this final thread here.

This is exactly why the issue here is significant and that the journalists involved in this group should not be laughing it off. Orland seems to misunderstand the role of a game journalist and what a role of a group like this should do if it existed, if it existed in a “good” way. Ideally, for game journalists, a group like this would be a place to discuss the trade – not discuss what they should report on. For a much more in-depth look at that line of thought read my original analysis here.

The fact that a genuine comparison between GameJournoPros and the JournoList can happen, not to mention that it happened at Orland’s prompting more or less, is more than worrying. Each member of that group should reevaluate what it meant to be there and the potential for what it meant to be there.

If those in the group did not understand that their participation in the GameJournoPros was worrisome before, then they should be downright ashamed now after the information about it got out. The fact that they laugh and joke about it shows how they truly don’t care to look at themselves critically.


Andrew Otton

Editor in Chief

Editor in Chief at TechRaptor. Lover of some things, a not so much lover of other things.



  • No Excuses VTW

    I heard Cory Banks lost his job in the wake of this debacle. I guess it pays not to treat your employer being unhappy you’re tied to a journalistic corruption scandal as “hilarious”.

    I don’t have definite confirmation on this course of events though.

  • The Wind Rises

    Throughout the course of #GamerGate, it has become clear that some journalists and people in authority have completely and utterly rejected the notion of objectivity. This lack of professionalism strikes to the very core of the problem, that they don’t take their job seriously. If they want to blog about their favorite foods and what pet cause really rustled their jimmies, then please open up a blog. If they expect to be cultural critics, then they should make sure to thoroughly investigate the matter and back up their thoughts with well reasoned arguments. However, the drivel I’ve seen come from some of these slack jawed commentators can be described as sophomoric surface readings at best, and orchestrated attempts to obfuscate the truth at worst.

    They have access to games early and free, they have access to industry events and industry professionals, we should be able to trust and rely on their voice to be a voice for the consumer. However, to have the podium to reach tens of thousands of readers and to so flagrantly succumb to one’s own bias, in favor of currying favor for a select group of like minded friends, is to spit in the face of the thousands of readers who have trusted their time and attention with them. I still have some journalists and sites I trust, like Techraptr. However, it has become abundantly clear that our industry’s journalist “professionals” are no more than college freshman, getting drunk, having flings, and turning in half baked assignments two weeks late.

    I repeat, if they expect to be cultural commentators, then I’d hope they’d have the intellectual firepower to back up their claims. So far, all I’ve seen is the drunken ramblings of madmen who are all too happy to sell their articles and objectivity for their next fix.

  • Bozo Sapien

    I’d like to hear these debates about HipHopGamer that they reference. Hopefully someone can get a full dump of the discussions.

  • James Fitzgerald

    Nice piece

  • Anony

    Thanks for publishing this TechRaptor!!! You folks rule!

  • epy

    JournoList was a big scandal, but normal rules and logic don’t apply to the gaming industry. They can laugh it off.

  • Rich

    Very good article. Those journalists should be truly ashamed of themselves

  • Ørjan Kristoffersen

    That honestly seems to often be the go-to defense for these people are getting called out on shit. “Well, it’s only video games”. Let’s not pretend like they are reporting on a massive multi-billion dollar industry or something.

  • Nick

    I will say that I frequent GamePolitics, and over the last year or so I’ve come the realization that GP is actually not a news site, the only actual original pieces that GP puts out are the live streams talking about current gmae related political issues (kind of?) and occasional whining on ‘Not for Wii U’ an ongoing list of titles they keep about what doesn’t make it to WiiU. Other than that.. GamePolitics is 100% a News-Aggregator that simply links back to everyone elses news articles. I haven’t ever seen any politically relevant article on GamePolitics that wasn’t somewhere else. And a good number of the major news articles are actually submitted through the shoutbox or the ‘submit an article link’
    Basically, Gamepolitics is pretty hollow… it’s useful insofar as finding an incomplete list of current game-related political articles. I’ve found that it can be mostly useful for copyright, patent, and lawsuit related article checkups, as those seem to hit there without bias linking to original and relatively sane articles. So if you want a news aggregator simply for that GP isn’t bad. otherwise, GP basically has no content at all for you.

  • Erthwjim

    Maybe if the list did nothing but brought stories to each other’s attention or gave each other tips on how to be more objective and less subjective it would be ok, but when they start discussing things like they’re some sort of body that oversees gaming journalists, then you have problem.

  • Kiltmanenator

    They openly proclaim JournoList as the inspiration?! WTF

  • Cap’n Catpants

    Maybe he should have disclosed his connections. In fact, all of them should have.
    It’s beyond too late now.

  • Cap’n Catpants

    Makes me want to throw up that the gaming industry is filled with such delusional, deceptive, self-righteous, intellectually-deprived, backstabbing, morally-bankrupt, ignorant, shit-flinging, responsibility-denying, arrogant, conniving, manipulative, immature, untalented, disgusting, rude and repulsive agenda-pushing parasites.

    I and my fellow artists/devs will be doing whatever we can to keep our games from being sullied by their dirty, perverse, twisted and corrupt hands.

  • Ritchet

    And the fact it’s their profession. Even a clown takes his job seriously.

  • Im kinda getting tired of reading these depressing corruption stories, but then I remind myself that theres corruption in everything outside gaming. Interesting article by the way!

  • vikeyev

    I love you techraptor.net please don’t change XD

  • Justin

    Good article Andrew, another good reason why I like this site, keep up the good work dude.

  • Ryan Lawson

    Wow, these people literally had no idea why people were mad about this list. If the list was used only for information on when review copies shipped, tips on interviewing and other industry related tips, that’s fine. Every single industry has conversations and powwows to help people be more productive, and that’s what Orland said about the group in his “apology” post about it.

    But when you start having directed discussions about what message to put forward in showing support for a SUBJECT of your reporting, you’re creating a conflict of interest. They can be slightly forgiven for thinking they were mimicking mainstream news, but that’s another problem. The Reuters Standards of Professional Journalism Ethics is the template for what reporting should be, but the actual Professional Journalism industry in our country is the perfect “what not to do”.

  • Ricolfus

    Well, technically not openly. It was discovered among the earlier emails (I think in the first lot) that were revealed that Kyle Orland had said that.

  • Red Lagoon

    It’s not the existence of the group, it’s the context. This people are supposed to be in competition with each other, while all they do is plotting on how to push an agenda or their friends game (Gone Home anyone?). Shameful indeed!

  • Kiltmanenator

    Yarp. I meant, “openly within the group”. I just found that odd because they were all “Uhhhh nothing wrong here, folks!” when it’s pretty fucking obvious that they should have known what happened the the JournoList.

  • Wild in Wisconsin

    Sure, it’s “only video games” when people are criticizing them. “Why are you nerds so up in arms about this? Are you manchildren really so upset about something so trivial? Baby gonna cry about his widdle toys?”

    They’ll hem and haw anytime someone has an issue with them, adopting that condescending, dismissive tone so they don’t have to actually defend their ramblings, but as soon as something the tiniest bit “problematic” happens, as soon as one of those misogynerd developers dares to put a fictional character in high heels, suddenly video games have a profound knock on effect to societal constructs and gender binaries and racial inequalities and now everyone really, really, really needs to take them seriously lest these foul corrupting bits of code sends us human beings back to the days of women’s suffrage and colored bathrooms.

    These people are nothing but double standards and hysterics. They prop themselves up on a flimsy moral high ground, cowering behind false pretenses and paper thin emotional outcries that alot of them don’t even believe in just so they can claim victory before they even show up to the argument.

    And to think, most of these people are the ones who desperately want to see the industry “mature.”

  • One of the biggest problems is that these people have had no external oversight. They’ve surrounded themselves with only other like-minded individuals and this has skewed their world view. This has allowed them to stop reporting information to their audience and to start preaching doctrine instead.

    They’ve stifled dissenting opinion so effectively and for so long that they truly don’t think that any opinion that isn’t in line with their own can actually exist. They’ve created a vacuum for themselves. Effectively they’ve bought into their own bullshit to the point where they truly can’t understand how anyone could disagree with them.

    They are attempting to laugh it off and insult it into nonexistence because these tactics have always been effective.

    Until now.

  • wcg

    “However, it has become abundantly clear that our industry’s journalist “professionals” are no more than college freshman, getting drunk, having flings, and turning in half baked assignments two weeks late.” – love it! As I mentioned before on other posts here. Gamers as a demographic are growing up and many of these guys don’t get it and alienate their audiences otherwise. If they’d stick to gaming reviews and news they wouldn’t be such an issue but when they do half-assed opinion pieces without the chops to do it, it’s pathetic. If you look at editorials in newspapers, the people that do these are usually veterans not out-of-journalism-school guy that covers local events.

  • Michael Lawson

    They even respond to their own echoes.

  • It’s pretty hilarious that back when Thompson was around, and they were a livejournal group, they actually DID reporting. When they became an ‘authentic news site’ and shut down the LJ they became little more than a glorified aggregator.

  • chadachada

    There’s a fairly common practice called “Quit or be fired.” Pretty straightforward; happened to me. Boss comes up and says the line, and it’d be idiotic to choose being fired 99% of the time.

  • CarouselRye
  • deltaflux

    What a load of nonsense. The author of this article, and most of the comments, seem to have confused reviewing game (i.e. someone’s *opinion*) with a scientific journal (i.e. rigourous scientific facts).

    If journalists disclosed every personal connection in every article then there would be more disclosure than content, which nobody would read or care about.