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I am a feminist gamer, but I don’t always like female protagonists. We hear time and time again about characters like Jade from Beyond Good and Evil, Faith from Mirror’s Edge, Chell from Portal or of course Samus from Metroid being the epitome of great feminist female characters, and yet I can’t always relate to these women.

Sometimes I haven’t played the games (Sorry Metroid fans) but others like Chell are as empty as her name. I like female protagonists that are great because they are women, not great characters who just happen to be women.  That being said here are my favorite lady protagonists and why they make me proud to be a feminist.

Sundren – Age of Wonders III

SundrenIn the first set of campaigns in Age of Wonder III you play as Sundren, daughter of the King of the Dark Elves and Queen of the High Elves, who has been told by her father to stay inside to keep out of harm’s way. Through her own spying, she learns of the war tearing the land apart and seeks to help her brother bring peace. However, while she was away ridding nearby lands of thieves, her brother is killed in a power struggle, and it is up to Sundren to seek revenge and take back the land which rightfully belongs to her parents.

Why she is a feminist hero: This story flips the “disposable women” trope on its head as Sundren is motivated by the death of her brother. While her father tries to protect her simply because of her gender, Sundren instead breaks free and takes back the land for herself and leads an empire. It doesn’t really get more kickass than that.

 

Hyrule Warriors

Women of Hyrule WarriorsThere are so many amazing female protagonists in Hyrule Warriors that I couldn’t pick just one. The Legend of Zelda series is known for its awesome female characters, but it took Hyrule Warriors to bring them all together in all their fully playable glory. I can’t think of a single other game with such a huge roster of fully fleshed out female characters with varied backgrounds and stories.

Why they are feminist heroes: Most of their motivations (beyond Cia’s) are completely personal and mostly noble not relying on other characters. Hyrule Warriors started out with 8 playable female characters (9 if you include the Great Fairy) each with their own varied looks, stories, fighting styles and weapon sets. And Agitha’s bug summons were just really cool.

Blaze Fielding – Streets of Rage

blaze fieldingOh how my sister and I fought as children to play as Blaze, the fast-throwing British judo expert in our favorite game Streets of Rage. Blaze began the series as the stereotypical fast but weak woman character but developed into an all rounder. One of only two characters to be playable in every Streets of Rage game, Blaze is an ex-cop turned private investigator who walks the streets fighting for justice – or to become queen of the Mafia, your choice.

Why she’s a feminist hero: Aside from being front and center in all 3 Streets of Rage games, she is also a fan favorite in terms of her quality throws and weapon appeal. In the original game two of the toughest bosses in the game gymnastic evils Mona and Lisa are widely believed to be clones of Blaze, cause she’s just that badass.

 

 

Aurora – Child of Light

Child of Light 1

When talking about feminist games and great feminist characters, it always confused me as to why many writers overlooked Aurora from Child of Light. A young girl trapped in a crazy fantasy world, Aurora must use her cunning, courage and strength to recover the land which is rightfully hers. While the strained rhyming dialogue is painful at times, through it you learn more about Aurora as a person. Her desire to help others, her refusal to be thought of as superior, and most of all her mature, trusting kindness. Aurora is a character which little girls everywhere would do well to look up to.

Why she’s a feminist hero: Child of Light does well to reverse both the “damsel in distress” and “women in refrigerators” tropes. Aurora fights to save her father before SPOILER his eventual death gives her the courage to defeat her stepmother. Fighting partners are split about 50/50 male and female, and all the antagonists are female in a game which has very little to do with men at all.

Bayonetta – Bayonetta 2

Bayonetta-2I understand that lollipop sucking, hair-wearing witch Bayonetta has come under a lot of scrutiny from feminists for being “too sexy”, but the development of her character (particularly in Bayonetta 2) makes her one of my favorite female protagonists of all time. Bayonetta is one of the best written female characters, being fierce, ambitious and a hero, while at the same time having completely unique feminine attributes.

Why she’s a feminist hero: Bayonetta is never controlled by the will of men, who are are mostly sidelines in her stories. Her femininity is what makes her a great female character. The moment when she believes Loki to be dead stands out to me as one of the greatest of the game and spoke volumes of her feminine maternal instincts. Better still, Platinum never turns these feminine instincts into a negative that hold her back. They make her a more relatable and realistic character.

Juliet Starling – Lollipop Chainsaw

Lollipop ChainsawLollipop Chainsaw is my favorite game of all time, so it should come as no surprise that Juliet Starling tops my list of favorite (female) protagonists. This cheerleading, pole dancing, Japanese speaking, grade A getting, zombie hunting girl is one of the most fully rounded characters in video game history, even in such a short game. Tasked with saving the world from zombie invasion, Juliet starts off by saving her boyfriend’s life and carrying him around to assist her by taking over zombie bodies, acting like a piñata and even as ammo for her zombie canon. Juliet is the embodiment of the hyper-feminine stereotype and yet none of these attributes are shown as a negative. Her love of shopping helps her gather resources, her pole dancing and cheerleading develop her fighting skills and her emotions make her only more fierce and determined. Her feminine spirit is something almost all women can relate to.

Why she’s a feminist hero: Let’s talk tropes. Lollipop Chainsaw  uses the “man in the refrigerator” twice as motivation for Juliet and the “disposable man” in the form of Nick. Juliet shows that being hyper-feminine does not have to be seen as a negative as all of her feminine attributes work not only to make her a realistic protagonist, but to aid her in her quest.

Do you agree with my list? What are your favorite female video game protagonists?


Georgina Young

Contributor

British girl, currently in Japan. Surviving on a diet of retro games. Worshiping the god that is the Sega Megadrive. I like Nintendo.



  • Juilet Starling and Bayonetta on one list with the words favorite and feminist….I am pretty sure that’s blasphemy according to certain people *cough* Sarkeesian *cough* >_>

  • Arbitrary

    I really, really, really don’t like having Feminists authoring on this site.

  • MusouTensei

    Did you even read it?

  • Dulius

    There are Feminists, and then there are “Feminists”

    The first are decent people, the second are the kind that scream “I’m talking about Patriarchary, fuckface!” after pulling fire alarms at a male suicide lecture

  • Flailing_Mage

    This doesn’t read like the author has ill intentions but it feels sexist. What would be the reaction to an male heroes only favorite list? And whatever the male version of “feminist heroes” is. Also you must not have played the same games as I have because this list is pretty basic. What about Red from Transistor? Cassidy Rose of Sharon? Fetch? Alexandra Rovias? Jill Valentine? Heather Mason? Meryl from MGS? Chie, Yukiko, Rise, Naoto or god damn Nanako? – those are just some of my favorite female video game heroes and right off the top of my head. Come on

    Update: I don’t care. I’m so FUCKING sick of hearing about feminism. It’s a fictional character. Who gives a FUCK what their gender is? Are you really so petty you NEED to identify with someone so much like you?

  • Valtteri Kauraoja

    Clementine all day erryday!

  • The list is titled female protagonists, not female characters. If it were about the latter I’d be dumping Kreia from Knights of the Old Republic 2 into this conversation so fast you wouldn’t know what hit you. Bam! Force choke and a stern lecture.

    Thought the choices were more interesting than the usual fare (Samus, Shepard, Samus, Samus). I’d add one but I’ve got a bad case of tuna-fingers (that’s where the tuna water from the tin gets all over your hand, a fate worse than death) so maybe I’ll come back later.

  • Oh come on
    Georgie is a mostly sane reasonable human fun author

  • Z to the P

    Seriously? Who gives a shit?

  • Crizzyeyes

    The real question you must ask yourself here, dear commenter, to prevent yourself from becoming like a certain group of outrage-ist nincompoops, is “who really cares if it’s sexist?” A woman wants to write about her favorite characters that she relates to, big surprise there. Complaining because she didn’t put enough characters on the list is just childish.

  • Crizzyeyes

    You clearly haven’t been following the history of GG for long enough. This author was one of the first people in a position to turn the whole misogynist rubbish on its head and lend GG a voice. And she did.

  • Zweifelgeist

    You, enough to write that, apparently.

  • Syndromic

    For some reason people frequently seem to forget Heather Mason or any heroines from Horror games.

  • Guest

    I read every word. And it was all a bit shit.

    I was also aware that she was one of the early(ish) pro GG voices on the Internet. I was *not* aware that she identified as a Feminist, which casts her in a very different light, and takes away any respect I initially had for her.

    Want me to mention the actual article? Fine. These are the two first things to come to mind.

    My first warning was how she praised the Age of Wonders III-character for how great a person she was, when she’s an utter selfish bitch; not to mention a complete cliche blatantly put in the game by the developers to pander to Feminists. (And – judging by this article – apparently succeeded.)

    I also hate this fucking notion that sexy female characters are “empowering to women”. For fuck’s sake. Is there a single thing I can enjoy that doesn’t stroke female egos? Do I have to join a fucking monastery, next?

    Here’s the thing – the correct female response to criticisms of female characters being “too sexy” is NOT “I like that they’re sexy, because it empowers me”. The correct response is “I’m a fucking adult, and fully accepts that my views are and should be completely irrelevant to men. They have zero reason to give a shit as to whether or not I like a female character, because I’m likely not the target audience, the same way Chick-Flicks aren’t marketed to men. In realizing this; I’m going to mind my own fucking business, and not act as though people should give a shit as to whether or not something gets my personal blessing.”

  • Arbitrary

    I read every word. And it was all a bit shit.

    I’m also aware that she was one of the early(ish) pro GG voices on the Internet. I was *not* aware that she identified as a Feminist, which casts her in a very different light, and takes away any respect I initially had for her.

    Want me to mention the actual article? Fine. These are the two first things to come to mind:

    My first warning was how she praised the Age of Wonders III-character for how great a person she was, when she’s an utter irresponsible, selfish bitch; not to mention a complete cliche blatantly put in the game by the developers to pander to Feminists. (And – judging by this article – apparently succeeded.)

    I also hate this fucking notion that sexy female characters are “empowering to women”. For fuck’s sake. Is there a single thing I can enjoy that doesn’t stroke female egos? Do I have to join a fucking monastery, next?

    Here’s the thing – the correct female response to criticisms of female characters being “too sexy” is NOT “I like that they’re sexy, because it empowers me”. The correct response is “I’m a fucking adult, and fully accepts that my views are and should be completely irrelevant to men, to begin with. I’m going to like what I like, and let them like what they like. They have zero reason to give a shit as to whether or not I like a female character, because I’m likely not the target audience, the same way Chick-Flicks aren’t marketed to men. In realizing this; I’m going to mind my own fucking business, and not act as though people should give a shit as to whether or not something gets my personal blessing.”

    TL; DR:

    I don’t care two shits for Feminist approval. I think it’s insulting, (and so very, very Feminist:), that they actually assume we give a shit.

  • Travis

    Grow up.

  • Dulius

    Juding someone because of their ideology? Hasn’t the last 8 months of being CONSTANTLY slandered because you have a different ideology from the Anti’s taught you nothing?

  • Grey

    Lollipop Chainsaw was the only one of these I’ve ever played and I sadly just could not get into the game. Purely gameplay related though, something about the rhythm of things didn’t jive with me at all. No amount of practice kept me from fumbling the controls

    Personal favorite female protagonist still remains Monica from Dark Cloud 2. She was basically the driving force behind the game, to the point where you could have probably cut Max out completely (though he was fun in his own right). Not a deep character, because despite it’s apocalyptic overtones it was a fairly light game, but still extremely capable and determined.

  • Cerxi

    Realize that this isn’t called “The Best Female Protagonists” or “Top 10 Female Protagonists”, but “My Favourite Female Protagonists”. I don’t think it’s sexist for the author to have favourites. It’s pretty safe to assume that, as a gamer, she has some male favourites too, these just aren’t them. I don’t know about the public at large, but my reaction to a male heroes only list would probably be “Huh, interesting”, same as this.

  • Arbitrary

    Is there honestly any better reason to judge someone by, than their ideology? It’s the values you subscribe to. Few things are more worthy of criticism than that.

  • Arbitrary

    Not an argument.

  • Mastu Denton

    the thumbnail image is clickbait tier. don’t put a picture of Samus up there when you arent even going to be talking about her in the list, much less played Metroid.

    youre supposed to be above this Techraptor.

  • Keikoandgilly

    My kind of List. Wait, no Samus?! Blasphemy! xD

  • Keikoandgilly

    Ideologies can be criticised, sure, but it is never wise to judge someone by their ideology, but by their character. If their character is associated by their ideology, then so be it, but innocent until guilty is an ideal that must be upheld.

    It’s a good list, Even if I disagree with the Age of Wonder choice, her list has traits within them such as Bayonetta and the Lollipop Chainsaw girl.

    It’s not just eye candy, it’s character. So quoting Travis here, “Grow Up”

  • Keikoandgilly

    Confirmed double post, Max Headroom. xD

  • George on the Go

    If you have lost all respect for me simply because I call myself a “feminist” I think that’s a little disappointing, but of course you are more than welcome to do so.

    I also at no point mention any of the girls looks or say that being sexy is empowering. I did that on purpose because to me the look of a character isn’t as important as the personality.

  • Roan Filatova

    Milla from Tales of Xillia? Terra or Celes of FFVI? And Suikoden Femme?

  • CM Dubya

    One: Comments section, stop acting like douches. Georgina wasn’t inflammatory in her article, so you have no reason to be like that back to her. Isn’t that EXACTLY why we left sites like Kotaku and Polygon and Gamasutra because it was nothing but writers and audience childishly slinging shit back and forth at one another? Come on now. Be better than them.

    Two: We could use a lot more POSITIVE talk and exposure toward games people might not have heard much about in, as opposed to trying to make poorly constructed, ham-fisted arguments about how Ms. Fucking Pacman is so bad for female representation or whatever. I’ve never heard of Child of Heart before, so thanks for bringing that up on your list. I’ll have to keep my eye for it because it does seem legit interesting. I dunno about everyone else, but I do appreciate this list of female characters from all across the spectrum of gaming, not just certain “approved” type of females. There’s no reason the Legend of Zelda ladies can’t co-exist with the Bayonettas or Juliet Stirlings of the world, and it’s a shame that so many people think otherwise. THAT’S how you avoid tokenism/the creation of just another overused cliche and create genuine diversity within any given medium.

    I DO have one criticism though…you forgot to mention that crappy looking pixelated thing from Swords and Sorcery, so you’re list in incomplete 😉

  • Ben Kuyt

    Way to put them in the same basket.

  • ShadowFang

    Never played any of the Age of Wonders series, but I love everyone else on the win (especially the inclusion of Blaze! MAN, Streets of Rage needs a new entry! Knowledge on Axel, Blaze, Skates and co. is at an all-time low!).

    My top 5 would include:
    Jade (Beyond Good & Evil)
    Milla Maxwell (Tales of Xillia)
    Monica Raybrandt (Dark Cloud 2)
    Shantae/Risky Boots (any Shantae game, but Shantae & the Pirate’s Curse is, by far, the best one)
    Leona Heidern (King of Fighters’ series)

    with special mention to:

    Lilac/Carol from the excellent indie game, Freedom Planet
    Parin (Gurumin: A Monstrous Adventure)

  • Ben Kuyt

    It’s HER favourites. HER. Georgie’s. She might not have played those games. Might not have liked them as much as those listed. It’s not a “Best female characters” list. It’s a “favourite female characters” list.

  • Unsafe Ideas

    I do not mind male heroes only favorite lists. I read enough from Georgina Young to safely guess that she would not call you sexist if you would wrote list of your favorite male heroes use their masculinity in unique ways.

    Matter of fact, I might read that with interest. We should all stop to cave down to perpetually outraged anyway, the less they influence what we write and read, the better.

  • Unsafe Ideas

    “I feel empowered by sexy women and you do not get to limit that for me” is perfectly correct answer if the women happen to like sexy characters. Why the hell should women comment on men opinions when she discuss what is and what is not too sexy for them with other women is beyond me.

    Does correct answer for men involves saying “I fully accept that mu views are completely irrelevant to other men”? Of course not, men do not talk themselves down like that. If man opinions are irrelevant to someone else, the man ignores or attack that guy.

    It is not always about men, you know. Women do not have to obsess over what men opinions are. If a man “does not give a shit about my opinions” why do you demand that I include his opinion into my conversation? I do not give a shit about that particular men opinions either.

    Some people really think that everything should evolve around their gender, in this case it is man.

  • Roan Filatova

    Blonde drunk moment. Sorry 🙂 I love Georgie. Just had a moment. Plz don’t hate me 🙂

  • Verther

    That Juliet’s “hyperfeminine” traits (aka, looking (and acting?) like an easy bimbo) help her out is not an example of why she is a feminist hero, as much as it is an example of how vapidness in female characters is a trait celebrated and desired by men, just like availability for one night stands and big breasts. There is nothing “feminist” in these characters other than what you decide to see in them. By this logic, you are just using a “Tech and Gaming” website to write about feminism. Just ask yourself whether people coming to a “Tech and Gaming” website want to repeatedly read about goddamn feminism in the first place, or whether there are countless other blogs dedicated to the topic, and writing about it more than once during your job at this website is unprofessional and suspicious.

  • Marcio

    I haven’t played most of these but Blaze was also my favorite in Streets of Rage. You also can’t go wrong with Bayonetta. Clementine and Chun-Li would also make my personal list.

  • DoxBait

    For me it’s all about Aeris. Considering she dies on the first disc, the impact she has on events to follow is incredible.

  • Rob Xsiq

    wtf.
    Dude, I would surround myself with a thousand Georgina’s verses just one like yourself you and your self righteous behavior
    “feminism” is now a blanket statement, not some specific radfem 3rd wave movement born directly from the suffragettes. You losing all respect for someone who identifies as part of this huge movement (about as telling as someone saying they identify as a bookreader..sure, plenty of trash books out there, not that trash books are the requirement)
    as far as a “correct response” you have given females, blow it out your anus. they can like, dislike, and feel about anything they want. who are you to tell them how to think or feel?
    YOU are the problem. get off the internet, go meet a real live person of the opposite sex, and spend a hour looking at them while chanting “You are a actual person allowed to think for yourself”
    Georgina forces nothing on you, or a demand on the industry..she is simply sharing characters she has enjoyed, and talks about why she enjoyed em..you don’t like it, go kick rocks.

  • Kain Yusanagi

    This is a pure opinion piece, and ensures that it comes across as one rather than attempts to masquerade as a piece of objective news. I don’t get why so many people are bitching about it.

  • Kain Yusanagi

    Fuck you too, asshole.

  • Jaaa… Laaa…

    Agreed, that’s why I’m here.

    BTW, who is this “Samus” person? And I’ve never heard of “Bayonetta”. This should have included mainstream female video game characters. /sarc

  • Kamelguru

    Top 5 female protags:
    1) My all-time favorite Final Fantasy game has a female lead: Terra
    2) I almost always default to FemShep in Mass Effect 1-3 because Jen Hale’s VA talents.

    3) Samus, no explanation should be needed
    4) Bayonetta, see 3
    5) Micaiah from Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. She is heroic without discarding femininity

  • Yarlg

    What’s sexist about it? It’s her list of favorite female protagonists, and they’re under-represented in games anyways.

    I wouldn’t have any problem with a male protagonist’s list, but some outrageous feminists might, and Goergina Young is not an outrageous feminist.

    So are people not allowed to make favorite female protagonists lists anymore because they’re sexist, or are you outrageous?!

  • Ben

    OH no now you have done it, this article is asking for blood! All the gender ideologues, all the dude bros, are coming out of the wood works scream and flailing… I got my popcorn, this is quality entertainment!

    Anyways Shantae is my favorite.

  • MusouTensei

    Why does it matter if she identifies as feminist? I see it like that
    Women =/= Feminist =/= Feminazi/Femtard =/= Misandrist

    Many Pro GGers identify as MRA’s, does that bother you too?
    Imo they should all drop those terms and just identify as egalitarians but you can’t force that. As long they don’t try to censor anything or are just plain sexist like some swedish misandrists who think men are just animals, or use #killallmen/women, both are fine. Or are you bothered by Christina H. Sommers as well?
    You’re overreacting.

  • Arbitrary

    How pissy I appear to have made you, amuses me. But, hey. We can just trade expletives all day, if that’s how you think one argues.

  • Arbitrary

    Exactly.

  • Arbitrary

    I do not see the distinctions between Feminism and everything else the same way you do.

    Since you ask – yes. I *am* bothered about Sommers. I’d rather have one less Feminist in the world, than one more Feminist who happens to be pro GG. Same with MRAs, though at least they don’t have remotely the same power Feminists do, and thus are less of a concern.

  • Arbitrary

    “I feel empowered by sexy women and you do not get to limit that for me” is perfectly correct answer if the women happen to like sexy characters.”

    No, the correct answer is “I’m *not* going to write an article to tell everyone (largely men.), what female characters I consider to be okay; because I’m not so absurdly narcissistic so as to assume they have the slightest reason to give a shit.”

    It’s the same way that I am *not* right now writing a letter to the director of the latest chick-flick to tell them whether or not they get my male blessing.

    “Does correct answer for men involves saying “I fully accept that mu views are completely irrelevant to other men”? Of course not, men do not talk themselves down like that. If man opinions are irrelevant to someone else, the man ignores or attack that guy..”

    Thanks for kindly taking it upon yourself to inform me how all men behave.

    “It is not always about men, you know. Women do not have to obsess over what men opinions are.”

    Then why are men apparently expected to give a fuck about what women happen to think about something?

    “Some people really think that everything should evolve around their gender, in this case it is man.”

    Clearly everything *does* revolve around gender; otherwise this article wouldn’t have been made in the first place.

  • Arbitrary

    Yes. I tried to delete it, as I posted it in the wrong place, but it just replaced my name with “Guest”. You should refer to the one with my name on it for your replies.

  • Arbitrary

    I don’t have to put them there. They already are.

  • Arbitrary

    “Dude, I would surround myself with a thousand Georgina’s verses just one like yourself you and your self righteous behavior”

    If you don’t like self-righteousness, one wonders why you’d love to surround yourself with a thousand Feminists.

    “You losing all respect for someone who identifies as part of this huge movement (about as telling as someone saying they identify as a bookreader..sure, plenty of trash books out there, not that trash books are the requirement)”

    If everyone who read books also had similar values, your argument would make sense.

    “as far as a “correct response” you have given females, blow it out your anus. they can like, dislike, and feel about anything they want. who are you to tell them how to think or feel?”

    If you don’t like to be told how to think or feel, I again have to wonder why you would like to surround yourself with thousands of Feminists.

    “YOU are the problem. get off the internet, go meet a real live person of the opposite sex, and spend a hour looking at them while chanting’You are a actual person allowed to think for yourself'”

    Oh, wow. I can’t help but be more amused than I probably should be at how utterly pissy I appear to have made you. That said – are you really pulling the “The only way someone can dislike- or disagree with Feminists/women is if they haven’t been granted the magical, wonderful privilege of getting inside their vaginas” -thing? Really?

    “Georgina forces nothing on you, or a demand on the industry..she is simply sharing characters she has enjoyed, and talks about why she enjoyed em..you don’t like it, go kick rocks.”

    Truthfully, it’s her strange, (but classic Feminist) conviction that men should give a shit about what she thinks in the first place, that bothers me the most.

  • You aren’t required to read the article. She never said you had to give a shit about what she posts.

    She shared an opinion that wasn’t infringing on anyone else, without pushing it at people. You had the option of ignoring it because she wasn’t shoving it down your throat. Chill dude.

  • The large majority of her articles have nothing to do with feminism.

  • If you weren’t aware, techraptor actually has a higher rate of female readership than most gaming sites in the industry, according to certified alexa stats

  • TR doesn’t censor. Period. That’s it.

  • You may find it interesting that we haven’t deleted any of your comments, unlike many other gaming publications when people start acting the way you have.

    Consider that when you put judgement on the site.

  • People will always find a reason to bitch. Georgie is fair and not condescending.

  • After internal dealings with Georgie, I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t care if a male list was made.

  • Mind if I have some popcorn too? – TR Admin

  • Verther

    Are you saying we should praise you for not manipulating public discussion? How high and mighty of you. Max has expressed a reasonable opinion, and even avoided replying to the insults he received in turn. Whether you delete others’ comments or not, common sense and human values won’t change that easily. This feminist hysteria is just a fad without significance and it will fade away. Why? Because real feminism has already won. Today women can do anything men can. Therefore, if they want feminist games they will make them themselves. Any further discussion about whether a game made by men pleases women or not is futile and deranged. Feel free to delete this comment if it offends your little site.

  • MusouTensei

    I know, else I wouldn’t be here.

  • DukeMagus

    Intresting list. Say, would techraptor have some “guest space” for readers to send similar lists? Maybe just a single entry for each reader to make a special article or stuff like that?

  • The only comments we have ever deleted on TechRaptor, ever, in all of history, were automated spambots.

    This article isn’t about making more feminist games. The author simply wanted to highlight some characters. Not once ever did she suggest we should stop make games with males, nor did she suggest that we make more games with women.

    It seems like you’re taking the agenda of people who literally are not here, at all, and assuming that she has it too, simply because she used the word feminist.

  • queazy
  • Unsafe Ideas

    Dude, everyone who writes for journal does thinks that. That is what actually job is. If you are not narcissistic enough to think others might be interested to read what you write, you are not journalist material.

    “Then why are men apparently expected to give a fuck about what women happen to think about something?”

    You do not give fuck by not giving a fuck. Going all outraged as you are now and arguing over what who should say is “actually giving a lot of fucks”. Judging from comments, you are the one that gives most fucks actually.

    “Clearly everything *does* revolve around gender; otherwise this article wouldn’t have been made in the first place.”

    One article about what she considers good female feminist characters implies everything revolve around gender? Logic?

    “Thanks for kindly taking it upon yourself to inform me how all men behave.”

    Yep, I see how men around me behave and they do not talk themselves down and they are not expected to talk themselves down. Apparently, some men expect women to talk themselves down through.

  • Mysterious Friend X

    Although this article is more sensible than what you would read on Kotaku and other SJW sites, it’s still based on the idea of “representation,” of looking for characters that reflect a certain political ideal. It appropriates characters for a political cause (chances are not high that any sort of feminist thinking went into the design of Bayonetta or any other Japanese character), and also takes Sarkeesian’s tropes at face value. Feminists accuse games of making female characters according to a certain mold, but this is just the flipside of that. Instead of (alleged) distressed damsels in refridgerators we’re supposed to have feminist role models. Female characters can’t ever be characters, they can only be political symbols, for better or worse.

    I’m just glad the Japanese are more sensible than this, and we don’t even have to think about “good” and “bad” female characters. The Western industry can sink for all I care.

  • Nope Naw

    I look at these characters, and the explanations for why they are “feminist” and the takeaway I get from the author is “These characters are feminist because [I] like them and [I’m] a feminist.” I really see nothing in the explanations that I would say “makes them feminist”.

    It could’ve been easily mitigated by saying “This is why I think she’s a feminist hero:” because the wording “Why she’s a feminist hero:” makes it sound very much like the form of talk in absolutes that most have, rightfully, criticized Sarkeesian/McIntosh for.

  • Verther

    Your reply has nothing to do with my comment. It doesn’t matter whether she has an agenda or not, TechRaptor is not a feminist discussion blog. If it were, i wouldn’t be reading it, and like me many others. An opinion article about feminism in games is relevant to gaming, one about which game characters she thinks are “feminist heroes” is not, because she invented the notion of those characters being somewhat related to feminism in the first place. It’s exactly like writing an article titled “My favorite republican GPUs”, praising certain GPU traits for being republican or empowering to republicans, which not only is irrelevant to a tech website, it is also preposterous for implying the entire readership supports or wants to read about republicans in the first place! Being pro-feminist is not being pro-women. Just like being anti-feminist doesn’t mean being a misogynist.

    In even simpler words, it’s a very bad article, with preposterous feminist narrative and it has no place on this great website. She should submit it to Kotaku instead.

  • cypher20

    Eh, sorry but I’m going to have to agree that dismissing someone simply because of their ideology isn’t a smart way to go. Georgina’s article was written with respect for gamers, I think that counts for a lot and is certainly a far cry from Sarkeesian and Co. Liana Kerzer is another feminist who, quite frankly, from reading I know I disagree with her on A LOT of issues. I’m sure she would think I’m some right-wing transphobic bigot if I we ever met in person, still, she writes with respect for gamers and people who disagree with her.

    In this world we’re going to meet people who have different opinions. The important thing is to treat them with respect, the biggest problem with Sarkeesian and Co. is they don’t do that. Instead they arrogantly believe their way is the only way and anyone disagrees with them is misogynist, homophobic, etc etc etc.

    I don’t even agree with Georgina on this piece. I fail to see how Juliet Starling and Bayonetta are feminist, they largely seem designed to appeal to men. Still, I can respect a differing opinion from my own.

    I do agree with you that I’m tired of people thinking entertainment needs the “feminist seal of approval”. There is nothing wrong with various entertainment realizing who their main audience is and catering to it. As you point out, there’s a total double standard here. No one is demanding chick flicks should have more explosions and blood to attract more men.

  • cypher20

    Child of Light is a fun game. The battle system is an interesting take on your traditional turn-based fighting. I enjoyed it myself. Personally, the dialogue never much bothered me but yes, some of the rhymes were a little forced.

    Not sure I agree with her on Bayonetta and Juliet Starling, but then, I’m not a feminist so I have a totally different take on things. Overall, I’m with you, it’s good to see positive and respectful discussion even if I don’t agree with all of it.

  • yanderenightmares

    I enjoyed reading your analysis of the characters and it makes sense why they should be a femeinists wet dream, butttttttttt I don’t see why they should be labeled feminists just cause they’re awesome female characters. As if femeinsts own awesome female characters.

  • yanderenightmares

    I’m female and my response to female characters I find sexy is “hot damn”. Anyways you’ve got some interesting responses. Ppl hear need to chill.

  • Ben Kuyt

    So you’re saying Georgie is in the same basket as Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, And Andrea Dworkin?

  • chizwoz

    No idea what counts as feminist but my favourite female character has always been (and probably will always be) Yuna from Final Fantasy 10. She’s very naive and fragile in a sense that you’d expect from a privileged girl raised on a peaceful island but she quickly develops into the moral and emotional strength of the story, with all of her more experienced mentors and friends following her when it comes to the important moments.