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Ellen Pao indicates that she's got to "figure out what to do next", and will be taking some time off.

Former CEO of Reddit, Ellen Pao.

In case you are unaware, Reddit recently announced that their “interim” CEO Ellen Pao would be stepping down from the position, and cries of celebration were heard across the front page of the Internet after the post was made. If you were to be charitable, you could describe Pao as unpopular with the Reddit community. The decisions made under her leadership were, at best, questionable, and at worst, signaled the death to everything the website has hailed as its mission. The final straw was the termination of the employee who handled communication over “AmAs” on the site, and the lack of information shared with moderators over the action. The outcry went so far as to black out large portions of Reddit for a day, and spurred some to recommend boycotting the site for a day. The same day Ellen Pao left the position.

There are a lot of complexities here, obviously. Yet, as if on cue, some individuals and sites were quick to declare that this is all due to the dreaded misogyny. If you are new to the Internet, misogyny, once a term to describe actions and persons who hate or believe women inferior, has now become a catch-all term to immediately shut down criticisms of women or anyone who has been in the vicinity of a woman that doesn’t have a leg to stand on. It has become so frequently used that it has lost nearly all of its bite, at least on the web.

But those who use it in situations such as these completely miss the irony that, by referring to any and all action taken against someone who happens to be a woman as “misogyny,” you actively harm women. Not only by removing all meaning from the word do you minimize actual misogyny, something which does still exist particularly in certain parts of the world, but you encourage this idea that women in positions of leadership need to be coddled. This has become a significant problem in STEM fields, and of course, attempts to point this out are quickly shot down as “sexist.”

To be brief: no, Ellen Pao was not forced out of the position by misogynistic bullies. She left in shame after it became clear the many diverse users of even the most popular subreddits were fed up with her nonsense. It is one thing to point to obscure subreddits dedicated to hating one group or another to try and prove Reddit is a hovel of depravity, but even enormous subreddits like /r/videos were having none of it. Clearly this has nothing to do with Pao’s gender in the larger scale—it has everything to do with her actions. And what you find, when speaking to other women in tech who are happy in their positions, is that actions are the key factor here.

Personally, I don’t consider myself a “woman in tech.” I do technical writing and, of course, write for TechRaptor. But writing is my primary focus in these areas, not the tech aspect. No need to lend myself more credit than is due. Because of the type of writing I do though, I frequently find myself surrounded by people who do work in tech. I am a gamer who plays primarily online. I frequent the Internet, even so-called depraved places such as Reddit. And yet, I can’t recall anyone in any of these scenarios ever bullying me for my gender. Well I take that back. I have, but it has pretty much always come from the same people who use that misogyny argument.

But I’m just an onlooker, of course. Perhaps women actually knee deep in the field face some discrimination on the job? Some would certainly claim that. Some even make entire careers based off that assumption. I am not one to make assumptions though, so I took to Twitter to find out what other women in the tech industry face.

Roberta Williams Quote

Developer Roberta Williams on sexism in the industry.

One, a former student who had the opportunity to work on a project for Microsoft, pointed me in the direction of an editorial she had written on her experiences. There she described that the only peer who ever made her feel unwelcome was one of the other women on the project, whereas the men involved were respectful and courteous. Another reached out to me privately, saying she had only ever experienced an act of sexism in the field once, while a student, when a professor excluded her and another female student saying they wouldn’t “stick” with the class. As a professional though, she said her coworkers respect and honor her expertise in the topics she covers.

Even big names in the industry are fed up with the whining. Notably Jade Raymond, a developer for Ubisoft Toronto, said she has no time for “bitching and complaining.” She acknowledged that there are issues, but at the end of the day, she enjoys what she does. Rather than dedicating her focus to a “why me” attitude, she hones in on exactly why she got into her industry in the first place. Another game dev, Roberta Williams, says she’s never had a problem being a woman in the video game industry, and that if women want to get into the field, they just need to “put themselves there.”

Look, I’m not going to try and argue there are not still some out there who believe women don’t belong in technology and gaming fields. That’s preposterous. As long as there are people alive on this Earth, there will be some who hold on to archaic ideas. But this does not mean it is a pandemic issue and certainly does not mean every criticism is rooted in sexism. To suggest that does nothing but infantilize women and reinforce stereotypes that actual feminism, that values equality and pursues real issues rather than petty First World Problems, has fought against for years.

To illustrate, here is a historical anecdote. In 1872, the well-known suffragette Susan B. Anthony voted in the Presidential election. At the time, it was illegal for women to vote, so marshalls were brought in to stop her. Rather than arresting her on the spot, Anthony reported that he treated her kindly, mulling about the weather, seeming to avoid the actual issue, until finally Anthony asked him “is this how you usually arrest men.” When the officer said no, she demanded to be arrested properly. The same as any man who would be arrested for breaking the law. Even though she knew the law to be unjust.

So why now do we demand women be treated with kid gloves, where we dismiss any and all criticism as hatred, while women in the past who did face actual, legal discrimination demanded equality in ALL situations—including ones that might just hurt your feelings a little bit.

Women in tech who claim to face misogyny, more often than not, exhibit attitudes that are unbecoming and sometimes downright toxic. Is it possible that the “misogyny” you are facing in those situations is in fact just a natural human response to someone who is acting rudely? Is it possible that women who don’t face that aren’t just exceptions but are just nicer people generally? Of course I don’t expect this absolutely brilliant deduction to be taken seriously by anyone who desperately needs to hear it, because I sincerely doubt their arguments are in good faith. Rather, they are attempts to cover up valid critique and claim a degree of self-importance that rivals the most laughable dictators.

So for those who are curious, what people like Ellen Pao do is not fight sexism. They encourage sexism. They require sexism to sustain themselves, which is why they find it everywhere they look whether it exists or not. Pao is not a pioneer for women in tech. Anita Sarkeesian is not a pioneer for women in gaming. There have been women in both of these industries, as well as science, mathematics, engineering, and every similar field, for much longer than either of these ladies have even lived on this earth. They are also not pioneers for feminism, because they defy the very basic principles that Western feminism was founded on.

Women in tech do not need Ellen Pao, and to be honest, would be far better off without her. Because all people like Pao have done is hurt women in tech, by actively promoting the idea that women are unreliable, unable to take criticism, and ready to throw out accusations at the blink of the eye, all while acting irresponsibly and unpleasantly to anyone who doesn’t bow at their feet. Fortunately, more and more people are seeing through that ruse, and most who value true equality know that the vast majority of women in the field are there because they are passionate and interested in what they do.

Those women are the pioneers. Tech is such a rapidly growing industry that more and more women are taking part in, largely thanks to natural progression and programs by actually proactive people who encourage women to enter those fields through programs for young girls and children in general to gain an interest in science and computers. If your aim is to get more women into tech, then you do that by making them interested in it.

But otherwise, good riddance, Ellen Pao. Women in tech will go on to exist without you, and those who actually care about the field will likely be happier for it. Until then, the only sexism in the industry I see is coming from the men and women insultingly suggesting that women in the field can’t handle themselves without getting their hand held the entire way.


Kindra Pring

Staff Writer

Teacher's aid by day. Gamer by night. And by day, because I play my DS on my lunch break. Ask me about how bad my aim is.



  • conrad1on

    Crazy to me that any of this should constitute a minority view, if not being *positively heretical* to some.

    Tech writing and the tech field in general has been completely stunk up by politics from people who ultimately don’t really give a shit about minority representation in STEM as much as *being seen* to give a shit about it.

    They’ll whine about Ellen Pao being hard done by, but happily form a mob to oust someone if their entirely unrelated personal opinions are designated ‘wrongthinks’. The industry actually is a mess, but precisely *because* of people like that attempting to fix a series of things that weren’t anywhere near as broken before they started.

  • ArsCortica

    A refreshing article in a sea of news that are dominated by soggy knees.

    It is indeed one of the greatest jokes the universe shares with no-one that those who fervently claim to fight misogyny are actually reinforcing it by insisting on treating women like raw eggs that must be protected and could not possibly stand up to the evil, nasty, real world on their own.

    So long however as the “soggy knees” argument remains useful to further one’s own career or monetary income (or at least to do some damage control), women and, ironically enough, men, will use it to further their own interests on the back of simple-minded ‘true believers’.

    All while women have virtually no rights in large parts of the Middle East and rape is a disturbingly common coming-of-age ritual in parts of Africa.

  • Olympion

    I’m quite certain it’s not the minority view among ordinary people, just a minority view among tech writers – there’s a HUGE disconnect between the people interested in tech and the people being paid to write about it.

  • conrad1on

    Yeah that’s what I meant, on tech sites and among prominent tech people and such.

    In fact, I can’t really think of a tech-based website other than TechRaptor where I would see an opinion like this, and almost certainly not from a man.

  • TheNybbler

    It’s “on cue”, not “on queue” — the diction nazi.

  • Alex

    If your local feminist has not approved you as a women I can’t actually take your opinion to count.

  • Fascinating article!

  • Angus the Deplorable

    This article is complete BS.

    The author – probably not even a woman – is simply a sock-puppet who has internalized misogyny and is spewing non-stop microagressions. If “she” is actually a woman, she’s nothing more than a gender traitor, and is obviously a goober gater.

    Sincerely,

    An outraged SJW

    /s

    Now back in the real world, I really enjoyed this article – it’s well-written and informative without sounding “preachy”.

    I find it more than sad that women in STEM have been associated with the likes of Ellen Pao, Brianna Wu and Randi Harper. All while actual intelligent, successful, professional women in tech fields have been all but ignored and/or dismissed.

  • Angus the Deplorable

    VERY well said.

  • wew lad

    this is the most rape enabling article i’ve ever seen recently
    has lady gaga taught you nothing, you female uncle tom????

  • Patrick Toworfe

    Great article. I’ve always believed that the real sexism prevalent today is this pseudo-chivalry that dictates how we should treat women ‘sensitively’ and be aware of their ‘feelings’. THAT right there is the issue, because 1. it acts like all women are the exact same, hive-minded group that are easily offended, 2. makes it seem that all interactions with men are to be treated with caution and that men are always the offenders, 3. that women themselves aren’t equal by proxy of them not being able to handle things like men. But no one seems to see that. Even the well-meaning sort who claim to be for women’s rights spew such infantilizing rhetoric about women that it’s alarming. Point is, treating someone as EQUAL means emphasizing sure, but NOT getting offended on their behalf or worrying that their gender makes them susceptible to everything even remotely controversial.

  • They really are scaring themselves into a frenzy at the sight of their own shadows – having fantastic fear of everything never works out well in the long run.

  • AndrewZ

    The fundamental problem is identity politics. It encourages people to define themselves purely in terms of their gender, race or sexuality and to see anyone who does not share the same characteristics as a member of an enemy tribe. It portrays some groups as oppressors and some groups as victims, and implies that these roles are permanently fixed because they arise from the innate characteristics of each group.

    Anybody who really internalises these beliefs will become totally paranoid. They will become convinced that they are surrounded by enemies, and that every word, every gesture, every social interaction of any kind is a personal attack. They are on a hair-trigger for outrage because they genuinely do see threats in everything. But they also need a regular “Two Minutes Hate” to relieve the unbearable psychological pressure of living under constant siege.

    Of course, paranoiacs can’t trust anybody so they can’t participate in normal social relationships. They demand unconditional loyalty from anybody who is part of their identity group and expect relentless hostility from anybody who isn’t. As a result they stir up conflict wherever they go.

  • SevTheBear

    Great article Kindra. was worth every minute 🙂

  • Julie

    This is a fantastic article. As soon as I saw the first headline that Pao was out, I immediately thought about the incoming flood of articles and blog posts that would blame this on the “sexist, misogynistic” people on reddit. It’s so infuriating that they have completely stripped those words of all meaning and yet it appears the majority are eating it up and saying it tastes good.

    I don’t know where this is all headed but I hope you keep writing and I hope others listen to your words and try to think more critically about all of this.

  • Hedger

    >All while actual intelligent, successful, professional women in tech fields have been all but ignored and/or dismissed.

    Well those people have to be ignored, otherwise the fantasy narrative of people like Pao, Wu, and Harper could never exist. Simply acknowledging women who are succeeding removes the issue from the realm of systemic oppression into one of personal failures, and that just doesnt bring in the same patreon bucks.

  • Twilights_Bard

    What strikes me as…I’m not sure, funny? Mildly entertaining? Just downright amusing? Never put that into words, is that this is an idea that outright INSULTS women at it’s core. It’s something that to me is so outright alien, so outright counter-intuitive to everything I was taught about treating others by my parents when I was a kid.

    I don’t understand how we’ve become a world so terrified of ‘offending’ someone that we’ll outright insult them instead and not understand why that’s a bad thing. It makes me wonder how many women walk away from this because of the embarrassment they must feel towards this attitude instead of from anything else (and I can certainly understand that), hell I bet this attitude is what drives women from Tech and keeps others from applying, because there is no challenge to it, there’s no being treated like just another person.

    And you know what? The people that do bitch, and complain, the ones that strive to be treated with kid gloves? I’ve come to the belief that they do it because that’s what they need to function, that they can’t do the work and can’t bring themselves to ask for help. And at the same time, they don’t see the harm they do, they really think they’re doing something that would help others, they think so highly of themselves that if they can’t do it, then so many others need the assistance too. It’s sad really.

  • Carla

    Very nice article!
    As long as everyone treats everyone else the way they want to be treated themselves, everything is all right.. (There is a german saying “Was du nicht willst das man dir tu, das füg auch keinem anderen zu” that says pretty much that)

    Here, Pao treted the Redit Community damn bad, so the correct consequences were taken and she steped down. I expect (ok, I hope), that the same thing would have happened if Pao would have been a men. No sexism, just capitalism. (after all, people were leaving and that can’t be good for the bottom line)

  • BagofHammers

    It’s because western feminists have chosen Cultural Relativity over expanding the rights they rightfully fought for and rightfully won in the West into the Third World. The failure to do so has boiled all their current talking points in “White People Problem” memes.

  • Angus the Deplorable

    This^

    That’s where “privelege” and the”patriarchy” come into play.

    What really irks me is the constant use of “privelege” as either an insult, an excuse for bad behavior or both.

    The hypocrisy of white upper middle class/rich kids complaining about their adversaries “privelege” is mind boggling.

  • Angus the Deplorable

    Ain’t that the truth…

  • Keikoandgilly

    I agree with this view. It is assuming a narrative that anything against Pao is sexist, endorses the idea that any constructive criticism towards women of noteworthy importance will never be productive, and encourages a false sense of victim-hood, rather than merit.

  • Ben Jeanotte

    Great rant! *clap clap clap*

  • Ben Jeanotte

    I should point out, that another commenter here on another article made the brilliant point that. Pao was always hired as a temporary CEO, and probably to make unpopular decisions that fans didn’t want, after which she was to be whisked away. If one believes this theory, than she has well served her purpose well, and maybe is less of a “disgrace” than we think.

    She was probably placed with much calculation and all this sensitivity towards women makes her position even more defensible as she carries out the evil will of reddit’s shadowy board of directors. If you wish to blame someone, do not forget this board of directors, of which she was probably working under. It is worth pointing out that Pao says she stepped down because the reddit board of directors had an even more aggressive view on the direction of reddit than she did. Maybe she was sick of being the evil enforcement scapegoat?

  • Cred

    good article, this is something that needs to be said
    it’s a damn shame when people talking about equality are actually demanding special treatment in a tacit way and people act like if that makes any damn sense
    it’s the ultimate oxymoron

    we could make any number of reasons why it’s illogical, immoral and actually bad for everyone, even women, to be treated like special children or excused whenever they do wrong and it’s got to stop

  • Women like Pao, and others shrieking that we “need more women in tech” actually make life miserable for women in tech, in addition to making it clear they don’t understand the tech industry.

  • Edmund Edmonds

    Enough is enough: no more babying women in tech journalism. “But I am a writer first at the end of the day.” is the worst sentence anyone has ever written in English.

    And it’s worth noting that professional writers ought to be able to maintain pronoun-antecedent agreement over the course of a 20-word sentence: “Women in tech do not need Ellen Pao, and to be honest, we would be far better off without them. “

  • wanti483

    Chick Academy supports women in tech: ChickAcademy. c o m

  • wanti483

    Debating a feminist: should we educate women? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na3yRyIBVZU

  • wanti483

    Debating a feminist: Should women be educated? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na3yRyIBVZU

  • Ross

    It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that idiots like Brianna Wu peddle.
    They scream at the the top of their lungs that gaming industry is no good for women and when women.listen to them, it is those same idiots who say “See women don’t want to join because they are afraid”

  • Hans Adler

    I think the truth is probably somewhere in between, as so often. I can believe that Ellen Pao was treated the way she was because she was rude and because she made mistakes. However, men in a position of power typically get away with that, whereas women are often held to a higher standard simply because the average woman is better at these things and so the few who are not catch our attention. Men should *not* get away with being rude and incompetent, but while so many do, it is in fact unfair discrimination to single out women who behave the same way.

  • TheSharpeful

    Great article! Pretty much sums it up!

  • gush

    You write about steam, you are part of steam, just as long as you are accurate.
    Saying “I write about steam but I’m not part of it” is like saying “I write codes, but I’m not a programmer”.

  • PlainOldTruth

    This article violates orthodoxy. The site has been added on the Kulak list. The correct thing is “believe a woman’s experience.” Reason, facts, evidence and the entire concept of truth is the product of bourgeois white patriarchy and racism and kooties and stinky feet. I stick my tongue out at you, as I drool over the vision of Khmer Rouge killing fields where all the “unequal” uncool people belong. — Your betters (smug social workers) will deal with you.

  • GrimFate

    Oh wow. Didn’t ever bother to question the narrative regarding how women are treated in STEM, but this article makes so much sense I can’t believe I never took it with a grain of salt before. All the nerd guys (myself included) that I’ve ever known have been accepting of women, so it has always seemed strange to me that there was apparently an epidemic of discriminatory, anti-woman nerds out there. Hell, from my own mentality and general media cliches, I expect most nerds to go into “overly nice” mode when a woman is present, the complete opposite of exclusion (although probably technically sexist.)

    Personally, the SJWs in the media usually just seem like unpleasant people to me, the type to turn aggressive towards you if you trip and fall off the very narrow path of what they consider acceptable. Adria Richards is a good example; somebody with such a reaction to a bunch of relatively harmless jokes is not somebody I want to be around, male or female.

  • KindraPring

    Can you be more specific friend?

  • RoboticSpaceShark

    Don’t know exactly what he’s thinking, but probably he picked that sentence because it has two cliches and they don’t go well together. “first” and “end” make you think of opposite pictures.

  • Edmund Edmonds

    Sure.

    Problem 1: It’s redundant.

    “I am a writer first” means what you are trying to say (that your primary role in technology is to write) all by itself.

    “At the end of the day, I am a writer” also means what you are trying to say all by itself. However, you decided to pair them and it’s clunky. Sometimes repeating yourself within a sentence lends either clarity or emphasis. Your repetition did neither.

    Problem 2: The two ways of expressing the idea clash with one another.

    As RoboticSpaceShark said, the picture painted by something being “first” at “the end of the day” is pretty Dadaist.

    Problem 3: The word order is jarring.
    Read it aloud to yourself. Now try reading it like this: “But, at the end of the day, I am a writer first.” This sounds much better. The “first” at the end still clangs because it is redundant, but at least it doesn’t hurt to read it.

    Problem 4; It’s ironic.
    You are calling yourself a writer in the worst sentence anyone has ever written in English.

    The first independent clause (“Women in tech do not need Ellen Pao”) in the second example I gave contains two nouns: “Ellen Pao” and “Women in tech.” The second independent clause in that sentence (“we would be far better off without them”) contains two pronouns. As a reader, I figured the first (“we”) was probably supposed to refer to “women in tech.” But then what about “them”? Does that *also* refer to “women in tech”? Or are you referring to Ellen Pao as “them”? Two bad options.

  • KindraPring

    You make a decent point, though I don’t know about worst sentence ever written. Seems there might be some worse than that.

    But given how many people are reading this article, I guess it could benefit from some touch ups for clarity. Thank you 🙂

  • Catreece

    I’ve been saying this for years, though a bit differently worded. In short though, what modern feminism has become is the most misogynistic movement out there. I want respect, and respect must be earned. The one thing that feminism can’t offer me is respect because it’s founded upon the premise that I’m incompetent and any success I manage is never because of myself and it will do everything in its power to steal any credit I earn through hard work and diligence.

    Yes, some of us have a bigger uphill battle than others to go through. It’s ludicrous to claim that we’re born equal – if that were the case being born to rich parents would mean nothing compared to being born to poor parents. Clearly that’s not the case. However, being at a disadvantage in some ways is a benefit in others: hardship and strife is what forges in us greatness. Those who have no challenges can never be truly great for they have nothing to use as a measuring stick to push them to go further and to see how far they’ve come.

    The truly great always excel, no matter what their situation or circumstance. They can lose everything they have, and they will simply gather it back because they’re capable of fighting for what they believe in and working towards their goals. Being disadvantaged means nothing, it’s just another obstacle to overcome, an opportunity to learn, a way to better oneself. When you look at the world this way, you can climb out of any hole, even if it takes some effort.

    Sometimes a lot of effort.

    I… used to believe the crap about being disadvantaged. That it was always someone else’s fault. That I couldn’t hope to succeed, so why even bother. Yeah, I actually was pretty close to the bottom of society, but moping about it did nothing but cripple any chances I had of escaping from that life.

    I now have my own business, am respected in what I do, and have taught courses in my specialty to help others follow the same path. None of that happened because I cried about how hard it was. It happened because I finally stopped caring who was at fault and just went out and fixed it regardless of whether it was my responsibility to do so or not. And it worked. It totally worked. It was long, slow, arduous, and took more than a few failed attempts along the way… it took 80 hour work weeks and sometimes over 100+. It took sacrificing everything I owned, everything I cared for, and everything I believed in, but in the end it simply came down to breaking through the problems one at a time, no matter how many there were.

    It has been a long trip, but I wouldn’t have even started that trip if I’d continued to listen to the “men control that field so don’t even bother trying” mindset. Turned out it was false anyway. Guys will fight for the chance to work with a woman who’s competent and friendly, they just don’t like walking on eggshells out of fear. We have the power, and that power stems from pretending we’re helpless. The thing is, if you tell a lie long enough, you eventually begin to believe it. To make matters worse, if you believe you’re helpless… you become such.

    Great power doesn’t come with great responsibility. It’s taking responsibility for your life that gives you power over your life. So long as you hand the responsibility off to someone else, you will never get anywhere.

    So yeah, we don’t need women to be coddled. We also don’t need feminism anymore, or at the very least not what it has become. We won every battle there was – women literally have every single right that men do, and legally we have more. We have every capacity to change the world, we just don’t. Mostly because we believe we can’t. Mostly because feminism keeps telling us we can’t, or that we should break into tears the instant we encounter the slightest hint of resistance, or that anyone who disagrees with us is sexist.

    Forget the big girl panties – put on the hip waders. Life is full of crap, and if you aren’t prepared to get dirty, you’re not going to be making much progress. If there’s one lesson to be learned from men above all else, it’s that being expendable is as much of a bane as it is a boon. It comes down to risk vs reward. Greater risk = greater reward. We’ve been taught to be risk adverse, and as such we’ve lost out on the chance for the greatest rewards. So take some calculated risks. Yes, you’ll probably fail a few times, and yes, it’s going to suck horribly, but in the end you’ll at least have the chance for success.

    If you just sit and cry about how hard it is or how much better anyone else has it, then your chances of success are 0.

    I dunno, I’m ranting at this point so Imma stop here. Just… don’t listen to modern feminism. Women aren’t useless. They aren’t stupid. They aren’t in need of being propped up. You can do as much as you believe you can, so stop listening to these people who tell you that men rule the world so you may as well not bother trying. It’s those who put their neck on the line that rule the world, and you can’t do that by hiding.

    RAWR! I dunno. Just pretend that was scary or something. =P

  • Catreece

    It’s more than that though. The rights gained were not gained with equal responsibilities or hardship, and those responsibilities and hardships are often what created the need for the rights in the first place.

    Even worse than that, it’s that those same responsibilities and hardships are often what creates strengths in individuals. By removing the challenges men face from women, we’ve essentially put the game on easy mode. Sure, it’s easier this way, but you never learn the skills you don’t have to use. And when someone turns the game mode to medium difficulty, suddenly the women panic because they’ve never faced a real challenge before. Overprotection like this is crippling and one of the worst things you could do to a person as it limits what they can ever hope to achieve without escaping from the overprotective figure.

    As it stands, feminism is holding women back more than anything else. The guys are walking around with a ball and chain, but at least they’re getting stronger because of it. We get stuck with feminism carrying the ball around for us and telling us that we’d never be able to walk at all if it weren’t for feminism, and all the while we’re simply finding our legs begin to succumb to atrophy.

    Instead of fighting over the ball and chain in the first place, it’d be better if we ditched all the balls and chains entirely, for both men and women, and just went out jogging together so we have someone nice to talk to along the way. Shame we don’t do that, though. I think I might have taken that metaphor a little too far as well. Oh well. It lived a long life, if nothing else.

  • JW%

    The main problem with that is that with her removal, all the unpopular changes she made are being rolled back. And if they’re not… well reddit will continue to bleed membership.

    So yes, the board of directors is highly to blame, but a board of directors is held accountable to the shareholders still.

  • RoboticSpaceShark

    It’s not the worst english sentence ever written. there are a lot of grammar mistakes in this piece, but it’s written better almost all of the other articles here, I think. if you could get a friend who does academic writing or something like that to proofread your stuff, you would be pretty good.

  • RoboticSpaceShark

    By any chance, are you that rexmundane guy that posts over at you know where? no offense intended. you just sound like him.

  • Edmund Edmonds

    Nope. That’s not me. And no offense is taken. I skimmed some of his comments and I see that he and I share a certain… bemusement about #gamergate.

  • Edmund Edmonds

    Upvote for responding genially to some rather non-genial criticism.

  • dsadsada

    Every article talking about getting more women in tech always confuses me. It confuses me because…

    1. Why not just let them decide if they want to get in themselves?
    2. Why is it even such an issue? It’s not as if the industry will benefit or deteriorate either way.
    3. Is there even as much of a shortage as those types of articles make it out to seem? I’m from Asia and we have had a 50-50 split in college courses and office spaces. Heck I’m employed at an IT consulting firm that’s a branch of a European based company and I answer to several women. There was a time when we had even more women than men in my department in fact. We’ve done nothing special to do this either other than hiring the best applicants we see.

    And on that last note, and more in tune with the heart of this article, we only expect as much from women as we do from men. Which basically means genders are entirely irrelevant and all that matters is that the individual completes their tasks. I find it perplexing that certain western publications can’t understand that simple concept.

  • BagofHammers

    well that was bloody beautiful.

  • KindraPring

    Fixed up those specific points (and caught a typo). Better?

  • PontiusSD

    ++ for Two Minutes Hate!

  • Catreece

    To a degree you’re right, but for the wrong reason.

    Women aren’t held to a higher standard – in fact they’re held to a much, much lower standard… but no one tends to care who the CEO is in most cases. How many CEOs do most people know? Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, uh… Ellen Pao… er… that’s about it, really.

    The reason for it isn’t that males with power “get away with it”, it’s that there’s simply no one who cares who’s in charge.

    Unless they’re a woman.

    Then you get feminists bragging long and loud about how great and perfect they are, how they can do no wrong, where they are the second coming and everyone should know their name.

    No one would have even cared who Pao was, even when those horrific decisions were made, except that her name was flung about as proof of how perfect women were as CEOs, and how we needed more women like her in power. It’s because her name was thrown about that it became a problem, because now there was a name and a face to attach failure to, and there was a smug, pretentious, arrogance there that amplified any failure. It couldn’t be assumed that she just made a mistake as would normally be the default position because she had a whole army of people saying how great she was and how terrible people were for disliking any decision she made.

    You know who else was a crap CEO? Carly Fiorina. She’s the female republican running for president in the upcoming election in the states. However, feminists didn’t run to her aid and yell about how any mistakes she made were the fault of everyone else. As such, no one really knew about her outside of the business world, and there she was given a bit more leeway than her male colleagues. The reason why people are going to jump all over her and nail her for everything she’s ever said or done is because she wants to be a highly public politician next, and that involves people picking apart your personal life and history, which is applied to everyone who runs for president, not just women.

    Try telling that to Julia Gillard, though, the ex-prime minister of Australia who cried quite literally that people were treating her mean because she was a woman, and no male prime minister had ever received criticism in her position before.

    The fact of the matter is, no one cares how badly you screw up unless you:

    A: Directly affect them personally.
    B: Are a public figure
    *AND*, not or
    C: Try to claim you’re infallible

    This is why the pope is held to such high standards and criticized endlessly. It’s also why Pao, Sarkeesian, Wu, and the rest of them are criticized endlessly. They put themselves into the limelight, and fight tooth and nail for any chance they can to remain relevant so they can brag how they’re the biggest victim there is and none of their decisions nor anything they’ve said is to blame for when people think poorly of them.

    In practice, women are typically given more leeway than men to screw up. If a woman insists she can do no wrong and anything she screws up is misogyny though, then she’s going to get nailed for it. If she says “oops, my bad, let me fix that”, then both men and women will go out of their way to give her all the chances she desires. People in general just don’t teal with an arrogant “holier than thou” attitude very well, which, if you check every woman mentioned here, is exactly the problem. It’s not that they’re female, it’s that their horrible people and they want you to know how it’s your fault they screwed up.

    So no, I completely disagree with your supposition, because all evidence points to it being pretentious, self-absorbed women that are held accountable. Women who just do their job are typically given more leeway than their male counterparts.

  • Edmund Edmonds

    Yes, it is better.

    And, you are right, I am pretty sure that wasn’t the worst sentence ever written in English. Probably not even in the top 10, if I’m really honest with myself. I may have engaged in a bit of hyperbole.

    Best of luck in your technical writing career!

  • Edmund Edmonds

    What about men who calmly say “We need more women in tech”? Are they making life miserable for women in tech? Asking for myself.

  • Jonathan Roberts

    Brilliant read.

  • Tim Lintern

    I assume you already noticed this, but there’s something of a culture war going on at the moment in the western media in general and the political left specifically. TechRaptor’s increased exposure of late is a direct result of that culture war and the website’s good rep for integrity amongst people opposed to the far left, including #gamergate.

  • Marcus2012

    hail Yeezus finally someone sees the light.